Holy Sweet Lord, Turkey has announced they will send another flotilla to Gaza—escorted by the Turkish Navy!

I did not see that coming.

Turkey is throwing down the gauntlet to the Americans: reign in Israel or risk the destruction of NATO. NATO isn’t going to survive if the Americans demonstrate that Article V isn’t worth the paper its printed on.

Obama and H. Clinton will be doing their best to force Turkey to back down and apologize to Israel for the inconvenience in order to avoid making any hard choices about US policy.

The US would prefer to remain Israel’s client/patron and keep NATO as a tool to influence Europe. If forced to make a choice, however, the US would fight the Turks for Israel even at the expense of NATO collapsing.

Turkey is gambling that the Americans will ‘see reason’ and support Turkey when threatened with being forced into a corner. I would not make that bet. Religious fervor is thicker than a treaty.

“If forced to make a choice, however, the US would fight the Turks for Israel even at the expense of NATO collapsing”

Another war? And the enmity of Europe? Loss of influence in Europe, and furthering the rise of Russia?

Osama Bin Laughing, again.

Israel has committed an act of war against a NATO member. According to the terms of the treaty, that constitutes an attack against all NATO members, including the United States. Israel is now the enemy. We should invade and take away their ability to wage war. If saying that makes me anti-semitic, so be it.

The article you linked to has evidently been edited …

None of your reasoning does not come out. Israel simply wait quietly until the new fleet will affect its territorial waters, and there it just sinks. Then it turns out not Israel attacking side. This will be the only defense.
Sooner Israel will send only a warning.

No matter how one looks at the conduct of the Israeli government and the IDF, it is hard to understand how stupid and tragic it was. Time and again, Israel tries to prove that what can’t be solved by force can be solved by more force. Over and over, the policies of force fail.

…Israel’s decision-makers should have revived memories of Israel’s own history. It shows just how short a historical memory the prime minister, defense minister, chief of staff, and Navy commander all have. They don’t remember the story of the Exodus ship in 1947.

The British Mandate authorities imposed a blockade on the shores of the land of Israel and Jewish leaders believed it was their right and their duty to break it. The Jewish immigrants on the Exodus decided to forcefully oppose every attempt to stop them. The Jewish leadership wanted to arouse the world’s conscience and gain a victory in the
battle for international sympathy.

In our day, Hamas leaders believe and act similarly. Without getting into the question of the justification or logic of the blockade imposed by Gaza and its residents, it was indeed clear that it was only natural that Hamas would try to break the blockade by force. They have been doing this by means of the smuggling tunnels and via the sea. It was clear that they saw it as their natural right to oppose attempts to stop the ships.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/analysis-israel-has-forgotten-the-lessons-of-the-exodus-1.293391

So a certain area will be closed to marine waters as it is nicely specified conduct exercises and do not slip in that way, even a mouse. Instead, these waters are subject to dispute. Autonomy probably still does not allow the belt to define its waters. Do not confuse the moral issues of a legal nature.

They will use nukes…that’s why they have them

Does Article V really apply to civilian vessels?

I thought the Turks basically had a long history of waiting until things turned one way or the other and then jumping in on the victor side. And, uh, denial. Great history there. I’d want them on my side.

This could be the opening shots of a world war! Certainly if Turkey sends the ships,Pakistan will have to send it’s submarine flotilla.And if firing breaks out ….. I hate to think what could happen,The middle east would be aflame… could even lead to a nuclear war…..Is this predicted in The Bible?

I believe Article V only applies to an attack in Europe or North America. If that’s right, then Article V doesn’t apply.

I realize some of you are salivating at the idea of Israel getting a comeuppance and being destroyed/defeated, but here are a few facts.

One, what happened today isn’t ‘piracy’ except in some Palestinian groupie’s imagination. Blockade running is an act of war by definition. There’s no “safe” spot for blockade runners, in international waters or otherwise. Israel had no duty to wait until the ships crossed into Israeli waters.. not when these blockade runners clearly announced their intentions to violate them and set sail.

The US sank Iranian ships in the 1980’s who attempted to block the Gulf using the same rationale.I realize there are special rules that only apply to Israel and no other country, but that dog won’t hunt.

Turkey isn’t going to fight with Israel over Gaza unless Tayyip Erdogan is stupid as well as an Islamist tool. The Israelis have both air and technological superiority even without using nukes, and Turkey’s army would have to take the long route and go through Syria in order to get at the Israelis, which would mean they would be attacking through the fortified Golan Heights. (BTW, armor without air superiority equals mass tin can carnage). The Turkish Army’s chances of breaking through there are nil, and Syria is not about to let Turkey involve Syria in a shooting war with Israel…they have good memories about what happened the last few times they tried it.

Turkey still entertains hopes of getting into the EU( at least, while it’s still around) and taking on Israel would pretty much end that..nor would NATO come in on Turkey’s side. Plus, the Turks have their own internal political and economic problems.

Anything can happen, but I doubt Erdogan is going to send the Turkish navy to attack Israel unless he really does want a shooting war. I don’t think he does. Plus, if you read your history, Turkey and Iran are historic antagonists. I doubt you’ll see them getting very close together.

-Rob-

Colorado Jack – they were in international waters off the coast of Cyprus. That is in Europe. And Article 5 makes no distinction anyway, as to the location of the attack. This is why there has been consideration to invoking Article 5 as part of a response to Somali pirates off the coast of east Africa.

Colorado Jack, you realize that the North Atlantic Treaty isn’t a classified document, its available to read in multiple languages.

Article VI(1)

on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America… on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories… or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm

Rob Miller
Nice comments, but you are ignoring the illegality of Israel’s blockade in international eyes. Admittedly, describing a blockade as an act of war is decidedly inconvenient for the U.S., which uses it with great abandon, but the North American Treaty Organization was chartered specifically to deal with threats to civilian shipping in North American waters : re the ‘Lend Lease Act’.
There’s prevarication in defense of a premise : but that one shouldn’t float.

Let the end-games begin.

The “blockade” was illegal to begin with, like most everything else the criminal entity does.

Time for the Turks, Syrians, Egyptians, and Iranians to converge on the illegitimate entity and rid the world of this cancer once and for all. Nobody will do a bloomin’ thing about it except celebrate. If most of the same serpents in amerika rush to defend their litter box first, then the world will be a much better place.

The bastard entity cannot outlast the Turks in a fight to the finish. If they are stupid enough to nuke any country, that will be the end of them everywhere. Americans and the rest of the world are sick and tired of its blood sucking burden.

Colorado Jack, you are flat 100% wrong and you should research what you state before making such a fool of yourself.

Rob,
I’d like to know where you find that “blockade running is an act of war by definition.” This is patently fallacious for a number of reasons. First, only states have the ability to declare war, and this flotilla was not state-backed, so already I’m questioning your analysis. Regardless of their stated intentions, the flotilla was made up of ships flying the Turkish flag, in international waters. They were civilian, unarmed ships. Running blockades has been acceptable under international law since AT LEAST the 1860s–British ships running the Union blockade against the Confederate states were considered law abiding–they could be boarded by Union vessels and impounded, but British citizens aboard had to be treated humanely and returned home with their ships. Anything more than that would have been considered an act of war against Great Britain.

The fact is, Israel had no jurisdiction to attack the ships of an ally while in the middle of the Mediterranean. The Iranian ships sunk in the 1980s were trying to block the Gulf–effectively destroying an international trade route. This has no relation to ships trying to run a blockade. And in any case, Iran was hardly an ally–Turkey and Israel are (or at least, were). Now, I certainly agree with you that it would not be in Turkey’s best interests to start a war with Israel, but the Israelis have certainly pushed them towards it. I am far from certain that the United States will back Israel to the extent that it loses NATO–NATO is far more beneficial to US interests than its alliance with Israel. There won’t be a war, but if Turkey pushes, and is attacked by Israel, prepare to see more significant responses by the US to placate Turkey–the NATO charter calls for “such action as it [the attacked Party] deems necessary” in Article 5, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see the US consider cutting military assistance to Israel if necessary.

If that happens, expect to see a new government in Israel three days later.

This is going to be the turning point we have all been waiting for. Israel will be forced to try to placate the Turks but will, when directly provoked, go full guns against them and use their power in the media and their military power to smash the Turks. This will draw Russia in, and they will not hesitate to “shock and awe” the state if Israel. It is time for that shitty little country to come down to size and be recognized as the rogue terrorist state it really is.

For my part, I think wiping Israel military and nuclear capability off the face of the earth so that they can no longer wage war and terror on their neighbors is the solution. Hell, let’s make it preemptive. Thanks to the US for the precedent.

Dear Bob Smith:

You were doing fine until you wrote

“It is time for that shitty little country to come down to size”

and revealed your inferiority complex. It’s textbook, baby.

I was just repeating a phrase used and jumped on by Barbara Amiel indignantly when she heard the phrase coming from the French ambassador’s wife at a party. I sounds perfect as a description. As far as ‘my inferiority complex’ is concerned, I don’t see how the use of that statement applies. But you cannot always count on responders making smart or witty comments.

first, i don’t think this will lead to a hot war at the moment, but if this conflict doesn’t resolve fast, it almost certainly will soon. israel is used to dealing with third rate arab armies, and lately, primitive terror groups like hamas; they got whipped against a well-trained militia like hezbollah. but now they pretty much made an enemy of turkey, and that is going to be a game changer.

turkey has a first world military and the third largest force in NATO. it has one of the largest and most sophisticated navies in the world, certainly larger then israel’s, it can launch a massive sea assault. and yeah, israel has air superiority, but turkey’s AF isn’t anything to sneeze at; they would be able to cover their armor and troop divisions as they moved into syria. there will be heavy causalities, but those will be far more traumatic and devastating for israel. plus, israel only has the resources to fight very limited wars; it has limited access to oil and it can only supply its reserves for 3 months max.

there is no question in my mind (and if you look at many israeli commentary, they’d agree): if this was a straight up conventional war, israel would lose.

the nuke question is always on the table, but the real issue is the US. the US would rather sink NATO, and endanger it’s own troops stationed in turkey and the rest of the ME, then abandon a war-crazed israel. and turkey, and the rest of the world, knows this. but as american power wanes in the ME, and as america becomes weaker, the turks or whoever else will see an opening and it will be bye bye israel.

as someone commented upthread, turkey can very easily get nukes, and really instead of russia, they could in the meantime actually get nuclear protection from a old ally like pakistan. pakistan’s missiles can hit israel’s; someday they might just tell israel that if they go nuclear on turkey or any other islamic country, they’d get wiped out.

this is going to bring about a massive collosal shift in ME power relations. i wouldn’t be surprised if the turks make a defensive pact with syria and lebanon; greatly hindering israel’s ability to wage war against either of those nations. the turks are the real deal; they have a modern, sophisticated military, they have a democracy, and they are easily the most widely admired and respected nation in the muslim world.

whether it’s by war, or civil disobedience or whatever, one day very soon israel is going to end. it simply can’t sustain this.

I think the biggest thing at stake here is the fact that Israel delegitimizes itself when it acts foolishly as it did attacking peaceful vessels in international waters. Admiralty law, Maritime law and Nato resolutions specifically prohibit this.

Israel is on a path to self destruction and it knows it. But their irrational belief in being the ‘chosen ones’ prevents them from seeing others (gentiles etc.) as fully human, and can invoke all sorts of Talmudic crapola to justify their actions. Like Shabra and Satilla, they are terrorists and murderers, but this time we are watching and are finally willing to respond. Here comes the tribulation.

Israel sank the USS Liberty.
What happened?
Nada
Isreal tried to sell nukies to S africa.
What happened?
Israel received a couple of trillion in welfare
even though the US knew all along that it was in possesion of
nukes.
Which by US law is totally illegal.
Your dancing Israelis
what happened?
Several million innocent people got shawkinawed.
And a couple hundred thousand US troops have died of DU/vaccines/suicide etc
Israel flattened a UN observation post staffed by NATO member nationals
what happened?
Doodly.
Israel used white phosphorus on Children what happened?
Hizbola gave em the 25 cent smack down.

Israel has most politicoes and the countries they run by the shorties.
we have seen what happens when they don’t.

If they want to resort to nukes while down wind or while in range
of dirty nuke type missles, or cobalt 60 weapons,or cobalt 60 amalak…
Oh well.

More likely the whole government of turkey will have a bus crash
or a derivitive crash…

On the other hand when the banker’s crimes get to big to cover up,
as in the previous two world wars- then we get world war three…
which is maybe why the bankers created Israel in the first place…

If Turkey needs my help – I’ll COMMIT!!!!!

CANADIAN PEOPLE SUPPORT THE PALESTINIANS AND TURKEY !!!!

Our Government Does NOT speak For The Canadian Citizen !!

What isreal Has Done, and Has Been Doing For Years Is A Complete Disregard For Human Life…
I Guess Its True About How ‘they’ View The Goyum.

Is It Time For The Million Man Army To Go A Knocking On isreals Door?

I Think So.

I mean, the whole idea is to replace the Temple Mount. So, let’s get on with it, shall we?

The biggest bomb in the middle east is under Dimona. A conventional strike there is a dirty nuke. Same with any nuke power plant. A Cessna into San Onofre would lay waste to a big area for a long long time. It’s time to stand down and realize we’ve gone way too far… stop this insanity… we’ve been like 8 year olds poking a sleeping bear in the but with a stick…

Lets not forget that Depleted Uranium is a nuke… blowing cancer all over.

Anyone shooting anyone is shooting themselves. Killing another is killing yourself.

Israel’s behavior has been suicidal for a long time. Under the guise of making a safe place for the Jews they’ve actually been creating a place to sip the kool aid of
false religion and phony genetic myth’s. The Khyzarian homeland from where most sprouted from is a thousand miles to the east in the Caucasus area.

The, “Homeland myth,” is just another fairy tale. This planet is home to humans… if you can’t get along then, you’ll create a way of leaving… Hate carries a curse and love a reward. Make a choice oh chosen ones…

Seriously, the Navy will arrive to much more fanfare than we saw on this weekend’s buried news reports. This time they will be able to deliver both the plywood for housing (picture Brooklyn, and the Bowery, circa 1986-95,) and some baby food for the un-decapitated children.

Hillary will go on about “how much damage Israel’s neighbors have done in her efforts to bring peace,” (sorry, that’s “lasting peace,”) “to the region,” and how serious “we,” (as in, remember that awful Christmas when everyone was singing along with Michael Jackson’s “We Are The World” video?,) and not a word will be mentioned as the Russians begin a full on assault in Afghanistan against the Queen’s heroin packing & shipping operations.

[Why, not since the Indo-China War have I been so excited about the prospects of watching China take on the bloody Queen !]

..In summary, the Zionists certainly seem eager to “cull the old heard,” since the greatest proifit source in the world today is to assimilate the wealth of dead soldiers, regardless of their country of origin.

@Asante
“Not an act of war by definition, but see;
San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994”

That document relates only to EXISTING declared naval conflicts between States. See Part I, Section I:

“2. In cases not covered by this document or by international agreements, civilians and combatants remain under the protection and authority of the principles of international law derived from established custom, from the principles of humanity and from the dictates of the public conscience.”

Unless Israel is accepting that Gaza is a state against which Israel is actively engaged in a naval conflict, that whole argument does not apply. Moreover, Part I, Section IV states:
“12. In carrying out operations in areas where neutral States enjoy sovereign rights, jurisdiction, or other rights under general international law, belligerents shall have due regard for the legitimate rights and duties of those neutral States.” Those areas would certainly include international waters.

In short, the document does not apply, and if it did, this would still not be a legitimate use of power by the state of Israel.

Like all craven cowards, the Israelis will back down and begin grovelling as soon as they realize the Turks are serious.

If they can’t get away with gleefully stamping on your face they’ll quickly turn to Option B, licking your boots!

The elephant in the room is the Armenian holocaust perpetrated by crypto-Jews (who else?) The Turks are very sensitive about this and because —this is “funny”–the Jews have many other genocides to account for already: The Ukrainian genocide,the Iraqi genocide was provoked by Jewish neocons based on lies, the Palestinian holocaust proven by my hero Judge Richard Goldstone,9/11 as an inside job which has been proven by Copenhagen University finding explosine nano-thermoite in the WTC dust put there by Mossad. If Israel attacks a Turkish naval warship, this would be an act of war and Russia would enter to defend Turks against the Israeli Nazi lunatics. God willing Russia would bomb Israel to smithereens.That would bring peace to the world once again. The bankrupt US with its milquetoast president who wasn’t born in this country, nor educated at Columbiua university,will find himself going to war against Russia and Turkey and possibly Brazil just for starters. Perhaps Latvia will come to the aid of the US but no one else.The UK would fight tooth and nail not to join in a world war.My fantasy would be for Russia to drop the atomic bomb on Tel Aviv and declare the end of Zionism.Like the Jews provoked Hitler into exterminating them, so they are provoking Russia to do the same, because Russia remembers how Israel armed Georgia against Russia. Ball is in your court, Putin. Smash the Zionists into oblivion. Please.

Here is the “AREA 51 frantic caller” interview that I referred to in the above post!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee3bld4lTG0

Jesus said if you see one who has no shoes give him yours. I invite OPEC to turn off the taps. I’m willing to give up my v8 auto. For the girl who lost her eye today.
CHECKMATE Israel

greg, turkey’s airforce is definitely not better then the US’, brtain’s, or israel’s. cmon.

you’re being ridiculous.

President Rahmbo aint gonna allow a war you fools.

Turkey, We have an alliance. It is legal.
Call me please.
I would really like to sink some fucking Isreali ships.

I’m dead serious!!!

Love,
AnthraxSleuth

First, Israelis are very brainwashed, especially soldiers. They think they protecting their country, just like American soldiers. And what this world needs is to unite and get rid of about 500 Elite who manipulate and running this world plus governments.
According insiders, Israel is running American government and Harper also signed secretly some agreements with Israel about protecting borders and gave Israel billions. Zionists Illuminati destroying USA and will start III world war if we let them. Zionists done 911.

“Asante

Turkey seems to have conveniently forgotten that they enforced a huge population swap with Greece in the 1920s; to say nothing of that matter of their Armenian population…
If Israel had adopted either of those “Turkish solutions” fully in the past, rather than let the minority remain, the current situation would not exist.”

Yes, the Israeli’s should have adopted genocide as policy, great idea Asante. Irony not your forte?

To be quite clear, you have conveniently forgotten the leaders of the “Young Turks” that committed the Armenian Genocide were Jewish and contemporaries and allies of the Jewish Bolsheviks. They starved 20 million Ukrainians to death.

But to get back on subject, Turkey has checked Israel’s move of subs off Iran. Hahaha, how’s that feel, Benyamin???

You. Will. Not. Attack. Iran. Bwahahaha.

Let’s see if Israel’s MOSSAD can pull off the False Flag the US “Intelligence” agencies are screaming is “about to happen by Al-CIAda” to try to get a pre-emptive strike against Pakistan. That is the move the US/Israel axis flashed to the world this past week.

Turkey has answered. Israeli’s world-wide whine, howl and gnash their teeth. I guarantee they are cowards that will back down and run from a real military like Turkey, guaranteed. Cowards that kill infants. Cowards that kill women. Cowards with an M.O. of bombing civilian buildings and blaming it on Muslims. Cowards that will run when faced by MEN.

Don’t worry: if you go to war with Turkey (the most feared of the allies of US in Vietnam, ask a US Army vet), we’ll send you our USSC, Senate, Congress Fed officials and TBTF Banksters and their lawyers to back you up, they LURVE them some Israel.

I’ll pay Rahm’s airfare myself, first class.

Greece should form an alliance with Israel. Turkey is a rogue Muslim state that aspires to become a superpower. It is no more reliable an ally for the West than Iran or Pakistan. Too bad Greek commandos don’t do similar to Turkish terrorists that invade Hellenic territory.

calm down people, this is simply not going to happen: there is not a chance in a million that anyone, not even erdogan, would risk war with israel for righteousness` sake!

on the other hand, if you are turkey and TALK about doing something like this, the worldwide propaganda effect will be HUGE! just see, for a tiny sample, the comments on sites such as this one…

plus, standing up to israel means standing up to the united states…so sorry, but dream on…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade
Read the last one.

Historical blockades:
On the blockade off San Juan, Puerto Rico in 1898 during the Spanish American War

* During the Peloponnesian War (431 BC–404 BCE), Spartan forces surrounded Athens on land. Athens withstood the landward attack, and subsisted on food imported by ship. After the battle of Aegospotami, Sparta also blockaded Athens by sea, and Athens surrendered.[9]
* When Alexander the Great sought to take the city of Tyre in 332 BCE, he first blockaded the city for several months.
* 1394 to 1402 Ottoman blockade of Constantinople.[10]
* The Dutch Republic’s blockade of the Scheldt from 1585–1792, denying Spanish-ruled Antwerp’s access to international trade and shifting much of its trade to Amsterdam.
* British blockade of France and its allies during the French Revolutionary War and Napoleonic War.
* British blockade of the United States east coast during the War of 1812.
* Danish blockade of Germany during the First Schleswig War, starting in 1848.
* Union Blockade: the Union blockaded the coasts of the Confederacy during the American Civil War.
* Battle of Iquique during the War of the Pacific.
* 1897 Blockade of Constantinople by the Great Powers.[11]
* In 1898, the United States blockaded San Juan, Puerto Rico as part of the Spanish American War.
* British naval blockade of Germany during World War I.
* 1915-1918 Ottoman blockade of Lebanon.[12]
* The Second Battle of the Atlantic during World War II.
* United States blockade of Japan during the Pacific War of World War II.
* Soviet land blockade of West Berlin, 1948–1949, known as the Berlin Blockade.
* Egyptian blockades of the Straits of Tiran prior to the 1956 Suez War and the 1967 Arab-Israeli War.
* United States blockade of Cuba since the Cuban missile crisis in 1962, and never ended.
* Indian blockade of East Pakistan during the 1971 Bangladesh War
* Egyptian blockade of Israel during Operation Badr, part of the Yom Kippur War.
* NATO blockade of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia 1993-1996 during Operation Sharp Guard.
* Israeli sea and land blockade of the Gaza Strip since the outbreak of the Second Intifada (2000) up to the present.
* Israeli blockades of some or all the shores of Lebanon at various times during the Lebanese Civil War (1975–1990), the 1982 Lebanon War and the 1982-2000 South Lebanon conflict — resumed during the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict.
* Israeli and Egyptian blockade of the Gaza Strip, beginning in June 2007.[13]
* Turkey and Azerbaijan blockades on Armenia during the Nagorno-Karabakh War

Though I’m no fan of Israel and it’s political grip on the increasingly degenerate western world, I’m really disheartened by the turk-lovers here. Somebody stated that Turkey is a proud nation that ruled the eastern Roman empire. True, and if Europeans and white people in general weren’t such spineless pussies, and a bit more like the Turks and muslims and had a sense of outrage, they would have paid Turkey back by now and reclaimed European Constantinople from the asiatic muslim turk, who in his audacity, aspires to swamp Europe again by becoming a member of the EU. Erdogan’s administration is islamist to the core and he and his foreign minister have repeatedly made oral and written statements indicating they clearly aspire to revive their dominance over the Balkans as part of a general neo-Ottoman policy. The turkish minorities in the Balkans are a 5th column in the truest sense of the word, with Turkey supplying them with funds to build madrasses, mosques, islamic schools, and in general fostering an air of separatism in whichever country they find themselves in Europe, while coming down hard on Kurds and anybody else in Turkey who think of themselves as anything other than turkish. This attempt by the Turks to look “humanitarian” is such a cynical joke coming from people who imposed blood taxes on the people of the Balkans for 5 centuries and raped and murdered the small Balkan states with impunity. I hope Israel does nuke Turkey, and that Russia nukes Israel as a result. That would be my dream come true.

In terms of submarines, Turks have the upper hand. They operate more German-designed submarines than Germany itself (Turkey is the biggest customer of HDW in the world):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_209_submarine

If there’s one field in which Turkey is clearly stronger, it’s the Navy. In terms of the Army, the sheer numbers of the Turks make a lot of difference, especially in terms of howitzers and artillery rockets.

Israel has a slight edge in terms of Air Force, not perhaps in numbers (they are equal) but in terms of air superiority jets (F-15) while the Turkish AWACS (Boeing 737 AEW&C MESA Peace Eagle) aren’t fully operational yet (they are way more high-tech than Israel’s outdated Phalcon AWACS though.) Turkey has better tanker aircraft (KC-135R-CRAG Stratotanker, versus the old 707 tankers of Israel.)

Israel has the edge in terms of ballistic missiles and missile defense shield, but is a very small country, which is a major disadvantage (a few successful missile hits are enough to finish Israel, while Turkey is a rather large and long (east-to-west) country.)

Ron: No, just Jewish craazies. it was not Muslim’s who just brutally pirated a humanitarian aid flotilla sailing under the flag of a NATO member. No, Ron, it was a bunch of Jews who did that.

Let’s stop this charade of “half a dozen of one, six of the other”. Sometimes, it is the case that one side is more deeply in the wrong than the other. With Isreal, this is the case through and through.

It is not Turkey it is and always was the Jews.
Let us not forget that Hitler himself was a Jew under his own Laws.
This is just another move for world destruction, i.e. Lucifer’s great plan to destroy the world.
Why?
God = Alien.
And it is the Anunaki Race Anu= the Sun = the children of the Sun.
Time to wake up and destroy the Freemasons for they are behind all this.
Time to wake up because they have no power over us if we say NO!
Time to wake up and realize that all Governments are Jewish Freemason Pawns.
But their power is nothing compared with our power.
Let’s change this world for good.

Peace !
If we have to stand right, just learn what jews did in whole of their history, how they fired most wars in the world, since then; and for more proof just read the last testament Holly Qur’an.
Brotherly.

Just another step along the path to global tyrrany and domination

sponsored by The Rothschild Dynasty and their Ashkenazi friends.

wynyardman

Ah, yet another Jew-hater forum… Yes, the poor ‘peace’ flotilla — um — except those on board were chanting “[Remember] Khaibar, Khaibar, oh Jews! The army of Muhammed will return!” — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk&feature=player_embedded

In case you don’t know, that’s an Islamic battle cry invoking killing of Jews.

‘Peace’ activists on flotilla beating Israeli soldiers with metal pipes — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&has_verified=1

The lies of Jenin — http://www.peacewithrealism.org/pdc/jenin.htm

But, no worries — the left-wing anti-Israel media will all be on the side of the Islamist propagandists as per usual.

Michael,

Israel…..Whose land is it?

Oh Michael McSpadden the HASBARAT, a few facts for you to mull over. I see you loyally spreading you disgusting Zionist lies and therefore I shall just stoop to correct your dribbling Jewish hatred.

* In 7 years and a total of 8,000 rockets, (ALL FIRED AS RETALIATION FOR WORSE ISRAELI AGGRESSIONS) 20 israelis have been killed and most of them soldiers or illegal settlers. In that time more israelis died from bee stings or from peanut allergies. I have put on professional fireworks displays with more actual risk and firepower than those 8,000 mostly war head-less rockets.

* As a comparison Rothschildlandia hurled 1.5 million tons of bombs and missiles at Gaza, a crowded city in just two weeks at Christmas of 2008, and they killed more women and children in that time, than have been killed in israel by Palestinian RESISTANCE in the history of the horrible fake state of israel.

Now Mikey back to that cowardly israeli Christmas terrorism.
Israel never observed the cease-fire of 2008 to begin with. From the beginning, it announced a “special security zone” within the Gaza Strip and announced that Palestinians who enter this zone will be fired upon. In other words, Israel announced its intention that Israeli soldiers would shoot at farmers and other individuals attempting to reach their own land in direct violation of not only the cease-fire but international law. Nice eh?

Despite shooting incidents, including ones resulting in Palestinians getting injured, Hamas still held to the cease-fire from the time it went into effect on June 19 until Israel effectively ended the truce on November 4 by launching an airstrike into Gaza that killed five and injured several others. Got that shithead? Rothschildlandia launched an air attack against Gaza, on November 4th. I suppose your Zionist infested media forgot to highlight that fact whislt they were stuffing your empty head full of bullshit eh? Do you know that the israeli foreign affairs site actually confirmed that Hamas was observing the ceasefire up till this time? Ironic given israel never observed it at all I’d say.

Israel’s violation of the cease-fire predictably resulted in retaliation from militants in Gaza who fired rockets into Israel in response. The increased barrage of rocket fire at the end of December was used as justification for the continued Israeli bombardment, but was a direct response to the Israeli attacks.

Israel unilaterally broke the recent truce by an armed incursion on 4 November, which killed several Hamas men. In retrospect, this action must be seen as a deliberate attempt to provoke Hamas into a violent response, and thus provide Israel with a casus belli.

Hamas has recently shown signs of moderation. Its key spokesmen — including Khaled Mish‘al, head of its political bureau — have expressed their readiness to accept a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders. To Israel’s dismay, they have begun to distance themselves from the movement’s 1987 charter, which calls for Israel’s destruction.

Its pretty simple Mikey, the Hasbarat bozoid. You just need to have the GOD given HUMAN power of logic and answer the following questions truthfully. Something Zionists are genetically incapable of doing presumably.

Who is the occupier? Who is the most powerful military force? Who controls and blocks the necessities of life? Who has sent raiding missions across the border most often? Who has sent artillery shells and missiles at close range into populated areas? Who has refused the repeated comprehensive peace offerings of the Arab countries issued in 2002 if Israel would agree to return to the 1967 borders and agree to the creation of a small independent Palestinian state possessing just twenty two percent of the original Palestine?

For centuries, Torah-observant Sephardic Jews and Palestinians had lived happily together, helping each other out when needed, as good neighbors do. Then came the Ashkenazi Jews, with their forged dollars, their bombs, their assault rifles, their Babylonian Talmud, their Kabbalist Rabbis, their wicked hearts filled with hatred and violence. And so began the Palestinian holocaust. Sixty years of land theft, murder, rape, pillage, psychological trauma, false flag operations and Jewish terrorism.

Also, Mikey, like I said before, FUCK YOU. Say hi to Satan when he sits you on your knee.