Iran Hammers Tel Aviv & Israel

Looked to me like something on the order of three or four dozen impacts, based on oblique imagery from several angles. Official statements of the IDF and US DoD to the effect that they had seen between 180 and 200 missiles launched. Based on the number of impacts, I would assess as the majority either being intercepted or otherwise not making it to target (a non-trivial number of missiles in the previous attack broke up during the ascent phase or on re-entry). IDF is saying that there were no Israeli fatalities, which would be pretty remarkable. If true, Iranian strategic deterrence has taken another real kick to the teeth.

I would bet that the Iranians are going to eat some reasonably serious ordnance after this one. The Israelis are going to be less inclined to listen to any external calls for restraint and the external powers – having gotten a sense that the Israelis are making much more process attriting Hezbollah than they thought possible – are less likely to be offering any. I have a feeling that the major danger is going to end up being panic and inter-factional competition within Iran; seems to me like they may go non-linear.

I thnk that it would behoove the Iranians to fire off everything that they have as fast as they can. (Use it before they loose it.) They need to target Israeli Civilian Infrastructure and US military forces in the region. They need to make life for Israelis impossible. They need to eliminate all US bases in the Persian Gulf. Then they need to pray like hell that the Chinese attack Taiwan and US bases in Japan and Korea to devert US attention from Iran.
That’s what I would do if I were Khameni. I am not Khameni. But maybe I am the Mahdi. :>)>

And another thing, where’s all this serious ordnance coming from?
Are there infinite bombs, missiles and artillery in the West’s inventory?
With all the bombardment and carnage in Ukraine, Gaza, Lebanon and Syria, how vast are the remaining stockpiles?
I don’t know, but there must be a limit.
Siempre hay límites.

Israel attacked someone that actually has an army, a way of fighting back equally?

That’s the $64,000 question. They conducted deep strike on a couple of largely symbolic targets last time, demonstrating that they could hit deep and take things out, including surface to air detection radar apparently without Iranian detection. My understanding is that they used standoff systems, firing from outside Iranian airspace.

The key challenge for the Israelis is that the next step up could be a *big* step up, getting into the realm of strategic air campaigns, that I don’t know if they truly have the chops for. If I’m them, the big thing that I would be concerned about would be materially reducing Iranian ballistic missile capabilities. The difficulty with hitting them is that they are either disbursed or in hardened facilities. The logical move instead of hitting them may be what the IDF has already messaged – hitting energy and/or nuclear facilities. I tend to lean towards energy facilities as a) they are a *lot* more vulnerable, particularly to long distance standoff attacks and b) if I were in the Israelis shoes, I wouldn’t want to tip my hand about my capabilities against their nuclear targets. The Iranians are at breakout capability and being able to take that off the board on short notice is critical and may well involve one way trips for the airframes and pilots involved; unless I had indications that they were going to play that card, I wouldn’t want to launch for fear that it would cause them to rebuild in more effectively hardened facilities.

What specific systems they’d hit energy infrastructure targets with I don’t have great insight into, but I would imagine that the number of aim points involved to cause real pain would mean committing a fair number of aircraft, likely using systems with less range than what they hit Esfahan with. What type of package that means, I don’t know – I don’t have a great sense of whether F35 has the legs for this without external tanker support. The published combat radius seems to indicate that Iranian facilities (I assume Kharg Island) can be held at threat, but I suspect they’d be on the edge here. I’d imagine that one could materially boost the range by climbing to altitude and tanking inside Israel (even better if one could cheat and tank over Saudi) or certainly by using external stores if low observability wasn’t critical early in the flight.

Bottom line, as I say $64,000 question – the diligent reader may note from the degree of uncertainty, my insight into the Kirya’s thinking is limited.

>The main thing I’d want to see now (though I doubt it will happen) is for Russia to put Iran under their nuclear window:

Nuclear umbrellas are mostly bluff, IMO. USA umbrella over Canada and Mexico is real, as is Russian umbrella over Belarus and Kazakhstan, but that’s about it. USA will not put itself at risk for sake of Poland, let’s say, or even Britain, nor would Russia put itself at risk for Iran. USA would however use every conventional weapon at its disposal to respond to nuclear attacks by Russia on Poland and China would likely support USA in this case. Big 3 nuclear powers all have strong incentive to discourage use of nukes by other Big 3, because they all want to avoid incentivizing small countries to become nuclear armed.

From what I have read, Iran’s overall air war attack/defense capabilities are inferior to that of Israel backed by USA and rest of NATO. USA has been waffling about letting Ukraine use missiles to strike deep into Russia, but there will be no such limits on Israel. And USA has world’s best satellite intelligence to guide those missiles. So there is the option for Israel to destroy all sorts of power plants, water purification plants, dams and other vital infrastructure in Iran. Blowing up nuclear power plants is a war crime but that won’t stop Israel since they are already guilty of other war crimes. So Iran is wise to be cautious of war with Israel.

Main Iranian deterrent is to threaten to attack oil infrastructure throughout the Persian Gulf area or even beyond. Block the straight of Hormuz, destroy oil ports, strike merchant oil tankers at sea, etc. This will send oil prices into the stratosphere, which USA doesn’t want, especially not before the November presidential election. So USA will probably force Israel to restrain itself to avoid this Iranian response.

Russia is probably not going to get deeply involved helping Iran fight because they don’t want the global south or China to blame them for soaring oil prices (obviously, Russia benefits from high oul prices), nor do they want to be a target of Israeli terrorism. Russia and China will probably continue their existing economic and military cooperation with Iran, and offer to act as mediators and peace makers, but they won’t join any war.

The Iranians already stated in no uncertain terms that if Israel hits their energy facilities, Iran will hit oil production capacity in the Gulf Arab states. They also stated that if Israel hits back, the next strike will be bigger and more impactful.

I wouldn’t assume that Iran’s air defense is worse than Israeli one. Yes, for coverage against small slow missiles and drones, Iron dome has better coverage given the amount of money lavished to cover a small area. But Iran has months (since the clear failure of their initial deterrence effort resulting in the Haniyeh assassination) to get superior Russian air defense tech to cover key areas and against aircrafts that would likely carry the really big bombs. The US military satellite coverage is extensive, but the Ukraine front show that electronic warfare techniques show that they can be effectively jammed. Iran is not Lebanon or Gaza that’s not allowed to have any air defense system,

This strike is more impactful than the previous strike, but gave sufficient warning to evacuate the sites and minimize casualties, so Iranians are still trying to give the Israelis a chance to deescalate and save face. Will they take it and also take the chance to get it off the Lebanese quagmire they just had to get into? It’s possible if somewhat cooler heads in Pentagon and IOF comes out on top.

However, the slow and measured ratcheting during the past year already built consensus within the non-western stakeholders that there’s no alternative but a destructive regional war to drive out Israel and its imperialist backer, and now unmask the comprador regimes in the region for what they are.

Don’t overestimate Israel’s strength. Israel can rain death from the sky against civilians using American bombs, intelligence, and likely pilots (as Laith Maruth noted, Israel doesn’t have enough planes to fly the number of sorties that it has done in the past week against Lebanon). But it hasn’t defeated isolated and hungry Hamas after 362 days.

Revelo: ‘From what I have read, Iran’s overall air war attack/defense capabilities are inferior to that of Israel backed by USA and rest of NATO.’

Revelo and nobody else here seems to be factoring in that large Russian military air transports have been constantly flying into Iran and flying out for at least the last four months.

One would therefore expect the Iranians to have taken delivery of and have installed Russian S-300 and, probably, S-400 air defense systems, which are superior to Western equivalents like Patriots or anything Israel has, as well as Russian EW systems, which are more capable than anything the US possesses. One would also rate as probable that the Russians have transferred some of their offensive missile capability, including their hypersonics.

Iran has a relative lack of fifth-generation fighter planes, which the F-35 putatively is. But: –
Firstly, given the prevalence and dominance of missile technology, in 2024 manned fighter vs manned fighter combat arguably belongs to the same category of no-longer-relevantant military history as manned tank vs. manned tank battles now seem to be, based on Ukraine;
Secondly, the F-35 is a piece of overpriced, over-engineered, unreliable junk.
Thirdly, the Russians might just have transferred some of their Sukhoi-53s to the Iranians.

Here are the specs on the Su-57 —
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-57#Specifications_(Su-57)
Here are the F-35’s —
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II#Specifications_(F-35A)

I once heard a F-35 pilot reduced to claiming that while the F-35 has lesser flight capabilities than the Su-53, its standoff capabilities were superior to the Russian plane’s. But that’s not going to be true, given what we now know about Russian EW capabilities.

More generally, in history quite a few instances exist of nations and cultures blindly continuing to assume their military superiority long after that superiority’s historical moment is over: the Islamic world’s shock at Napoleon’s army’s conquest of Egypt is one example that always comes to mind, because they were three centuries late in that realization.

(And, more ironically, the British turned up shortly after, formed an alliance with the Ottomans, and beat Napoleon’s army so handily that the remains of Napoleon’s troops had to be repatriated to France in British ships.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Alexandria_(1801))

I bring all this up because the assumption in the West is that US military kit is superior to Russian kit. Except in the areas of nuclear submarine technology and orbital oversight by satellite, that’s largely no longer true and Russian kit is superior, especially in the realms of missile and EW technology.

So Israeli strikes on Iran are going to be interesting. We’ll see.

A war between Iran and Israel would obviously be bad for both of them, and both have strong reasons to avoid one. But, they’re also both at that “refuse to retaliate and look weak” place, along with, in the case of Iran “Seems like Israel is just going to keep on escalating so what the hell.”

I think it’s true that as Revolo says, “Iran’s overall air war attack/defense capabilities are inferior to that of Israel backed by USA and rest of NATO”. However, a couple of caveats there: First, I’d say Israel’s capacity leans more towards planes with bombs, Iran’s more towards missiles. And the problem with planes is every time you send some out, air defences could kill them. Then they can’t go out again. Second, Iran is just a much bigger place than Israel. Iran can disperse its stuff a LOT better. If Israel successfully drops twice as much ordnance on Iran as the reverse . . . Israel loses.

Meanwhile, Israel is going to also be fighting Hezbollah. And, NATO will continue to be distracted somewhat by the war in Ukraine . . . which is going worse and worse for Ukraine. Russia just took Vuhledar. It’s a place with a bit of importance, but for me the point is, Russia tried several times before, and the Ukrainians cleaned their clocks every time, because it’s a very strong point. A general got sacked over it. The same unit was still there defending it, but this time the Russians took the place in days, couple of weeks if you count some preparatory flanking moves, as far as I can make out without taking that many casualties. Sure, they played it smarter this time, but still . . . if they can take that place in a short time without too much trouble, it says some serious things about how much gas the Ukrainians have left in the tank. And if that war ENDS, Russia can start paying attention to the Middle East.

I don’t think anyone is really going to be able to brag about the outcome of all this. It’s going to be ugly and a lot of innocent people are going to die. I really wish things had not boiled over for just a few more years . . . by 2030 the Middle East will be significantly less important in world politics, as the energy transition hits its stride and oil demand drops. We could have ended up with a situation where Israel thought about doing something ruthless, went to the US for backup and the US said “We don’t care–don’t need an unsinkable aircraft carrier in that shithole any more.”

P. S. Looks like Israel is capable of defense: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/02/west-defend-israel-iranian-attack

@Carborundum

Based on the data, it appears most of the missiles intended got through. The goal of Iran was always saturation – some of the missiles are decoys. This is part of the strategy (it’s also a part of any nuclear strategy – many of the “warheads” are decoys and any conventional bombardment, such as the Russian missile strikes on Ukraine, where decoys were extensively used).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se0CIREENys

Many of the missiles fired are decoys – their goal is to force enemy air defense to consume and intercept them.

Israel appears to have resorted to covering up the extent of the damage.
https://x.com/squatsons/status/1841548683566821424

It’s also become apparent that the US poured quite a few resources:
https://x.com/imetatronink/status/1841285332706394371

This failure is as much a failure of the US systems as much as it is Israel – note that the SM-3 is the best anti-aircraft missile the US has and is a limited production run system. There are THAAD batteries, US troops, and Navy ships in the area.

Keep in mind that earlier this year, when Iran sent its warning strike a lot of the drones sent were data collection drones. They’ve had months to study the way the US and Israeli air defenses work, then come up with a firing solution to breach it.

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There’s another bigger issue. The Iranians likely didn’t use their best missiles. If the Israelis don’t get the message of standing down, future strikes are likely to result in these being used.

Israel has only limited means to retaliate – they need US refueling tanker support for their fighters. They do have Jericho missiles, but those are in small numbers and the danger is if the Israelis use nuclear weapons, then that could easily invite retaliation.

@Altandmain – I would not asses this as most missiles getting through. It looks to me like up to about a quarter, maybe a smidge more depending on how one interprets some of what look like partial intercepts, might have gotten through – assuming we’ve got an accurate count of the number of launches.

Where have you seen the use of decoys and collection drones reported? I’ve seen nothing, but would welcome any additional sources.

I concur that the Iranians haven’t used their best systems. They have, however, used their workhorse systems – they aren’t their old junk and they are systems they have in quantity. They don’t have very many examples [yet] of their top end stuff – if we see that stuff deployed, it will tell us something.

The IAF is cagey about their tanker assets. They have been assessed at various points as possessing between four and seven KC-135-equivalent refuelling aircraft. They’re quite old systems now and due to be replaced with KC-46s (assuming they get the bugs worked out), but they are definitely still in the system and being used to support deep strike. All of this a long-winded way of saying that the IAF is not entirely dependent on USAF tanker support. Relatedly, I guess we should not completely dismiss the possibility of striking Iran and then recovering somewhere like al-Udeid. It seems unlikely but people have this pronounced tendency to do things that are, to the external observer, quite surprising.

It makes no sense to me that the Iranians have not already launched another wave of attacks. Israel has broadcast its intentions to attack Iran. That gives Iran a very good justification to launch preemptive strikes all over the middle east.

…scoffing at any notions that part of the point of the attack was information gathering and learning about the distribution and capabilities of the Israeli (and allied) defense infrastructure

Not everyone.

Israel and its lackey the United States have excellent intel and surveillance abilities. In fact, the point was made above that that is the only thing they have anymore that is superior to Russia – Russian weapons are better, and Iran has these weapons.

Now, Israel attacked Iran obviously knowing Iran would respond.

So, ‘the point of the attack was information gathering and learning about the distribution and capabilities of the Israeli (and allied) defense infrastructure’ is true.

And it’s in turn true that Israel and allies are then ‘gathering and learning about the distribution and capabilities of the Iranian (and allied) offense and its infrastructure and what have you.

I mean, do we think that Israel and allies went ahead with the invasion they’d been planning for months…and then just sat back and smoked a doobie?

They are gathering intel all the time. Obviously.

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Naked Capitalism commenter Louis Fyne brought up an excellent point yesterday. He suggested that ‘if Iran was serious about deterrence and/or fighting Israel for the long haul, the main target of the missiles should have been radar sites and related air defense facilities.’

This is in keeping with what we are talking about vis-a-vis surveillance abilities (which are part and parcel of overall intelligence gathering).

Prior to this point being made, Louis indicated that he thought the F-35 destruction meme arose from a different source. He said he wasn’t trying to be a jerk, rather was just giving some info on another possible etymology.

I bring all this up not because I know the true source, nor how many, if any, were actually destroyed. I bring this up because I am curious about the sources that Yves used to definitively end the conversation (Louis Fyne hasn’t offered a response to Yves).

I have provided two links here. The first is the beginning of the conversation:

https://archive.ph/6G5fe#selection-4101.0-4101.10

Although you can just scroll down, I include this here for convenience. This is where Yves gives her sources – which I am going to get to – and then ends with a subtle personal denigration accusing someone of denigrating their sources, when in fact Louis Fyne did no such thing.

‘So do not denigrate our posts and assert we have poor sourcing when a mere internet search shows the reverse.’

https://archive.ph/6G5fe#selection-4281.0-4281.4

I am going to use a line break here and then continue the source breakdown. I will also show you more authentic sources from Azerbajain.

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So, Yves began by saying, ‘We first heard it from Larry Wilkerson on Nima, who when he says that he heard something, it’s from contacts, not Twitter.’

So, Larry Wilkerson’s contacts via Nima. Fair enough. I’m not going to argue with the Colonel.

Twitter, incidentally, is widespread on Naked Capitalism.

Yves then continues:

‘And the Azerbaijan state news agency, APA.az, said Iran made the claim: https://en.apa.az/asia/iran-hit-israels-20-f-35-jets-449919‘

APA.az is the Azerbaijan state news agency, Yves?

Let’s see. As Yves suggested, a mere internet search should suffice. Wikipedia isn’t exactly a wholly reliable source, but then what is? That’s why we use our brains.

That said, Wikipedia is fine for this simple exercise. Here are the print media in Azerbaijan:

https://archive.ph/UB0q2#selection-2719.0-2719.11

It says:

‘There are 3500 publication titles formally registered in Azerbaijan. The vast majority of them are published in Azerbaijani. The remaining 130 are published in Russian (70), English[10](50) and other languages (Turkish, French, German, Arabic, Persian, Armenian, etc.)

Registered daily newspapers are more than 30. The most widely read are the critical Yeni Müsavat (qəzet) and Azadliq papers. In May 2014 Zerkalo gave up on print publications due to financial losses.

Azerbaijani newspapers can be split into more serious-minded newspapers, usually referred to as broadsheets due to their large size, and sometimes known collectively as “the quality press.”‘

This is all critical information.

It’s also really interesting. It’s the cultural, historical, and social realm. The kind of stuff I thought Naked Capitalism and its readership love, and that it certainly shines at in other areas when it wants to.

But again, it begins with the fact that this is obviously where one would in fact begin.

Now, about that state agency? Let’s do both a google search and a yandex search:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Azerbaijan+state+news

Google tells me this is the Azerbaijan State News Agency:

https://azertag.az/en/

Now Yandex:

https://yandex.com/search/?text=Azerbaijan+state+news&lr=29643&search_source=yacom_desktop_common

Yandex’ first result is to google itself. It’s second result is to what appears to be the same Azerbaijan State News Agency. Interestingly, it’s third result is to this site:

https://news.az/

If you scroll through that site you’ll see that it is quite Israel-centric.

How about the site that Yves linked to? It is nowhere to be found on the Wikipedia page of all current and historical Azerbaijan media.

I went to the site itself. It’s bizarre:

‘APA GROUP LLC has been organized with a combination of several media structures and structural subsidiaries.

The purpose is to create a unified media structure, to achieve operational, flexible, coordinated activities of media organizations included in this structure.’

And this:

‘The agency provides an opportunity for specialists and experts to be known, to get acquainted with the views of the media and diplomatic circles. Specialists and experts can place their permanent blog in the “APA Blog” section of the agency`s website. All the terms of cooperation within the blog are reflected on the site.’

Hmm. Specialists and experts from diplomatic circles? Terms of cooperation? Doesn’t sound much like journalism to me. In fact, aren’t journalists supposed to be questioning and fact-checking what comes out of these cirlces?

‘The agency issues online news in Azerbaijani, Russian, English, French and Arabic. The agency’s expert group composed of famous political scientists prepares analyses commissioned by outstanding research centers and diplomatic corps.’

APA, which is known in the international arena and quoted by the leading media outlets of the world, is one of the biggest and most reliable media companies of the region.

According to the international rating lists, APA is the most quoted and read information agency in Azerbaijan.’

So, it’s own ‘interational rating lists’ let everyone know that it is the most quoted and read paper in Azerbaijan, a paper which is broadcasting to its readers the opinions of the ‘agency’s expert group composed of famous political scientists prepares analyses commissioned by outstanding research centers and diplomatic corps.’

Again, this isn’t anything approaching journalism. This is a sad pathetic joke.

The entire site screams military/intel. It’s a propaganda outlet somewhat akin to Katz’ SITE intelligence, though that’s not a great analogy. But the fact remains it is clearly manufactured propaganda.

Please let Yves know.

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Here is an article from what Wikipedia described as the ‘critical’ Yeni Müsavat (qəzet) and its yandex translation, which doesn’t appear to be very good:

https://www.musavat.com/news/mossad-dan-xameneyiye-sok-tehdid-sonuncu-cume-namazini-qilacaq_1107120.html

https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/az-en.en.404a8e0e-66ff3fd8-cf5d5de9-74722d776562/https/www.musavat.com/news/mossad-dan-xameneyiye-sok-tehdid-sonuncu-cume-namazini-qilacaq_1107120.html

https://www.musavat.com/

https://www.azadliq.info/

The purpose is to create a unified media structure, to achieve operational, flexible, coordinated activities of media organizations included in this structure.

A unifed media structure? This is akin to what they did in the United States, going from close to 100 media companies ‘unified’ down to 5.

“Operational’ coordinated activities within a tight-knit structure is military-speak.

This is a propaganda mouthpiece.

I imgine they would like to destroy all the media that is listed on that Wikipedia page. Notice the third leadng news site had to close due to financial losses.

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Here is more from apa.az, which is NOT the Azerbaijan State News Agency.

Once again, the Azerbaijan State News Agency is here: https://azertag.az/en/

Found by doing this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=azerbaijan+state+news

Yandex returns different results seemingly every time, though google has been first every time I’ve searched:

https://yandex.com/search/?text=azerbaijan+state+news&lr=29643&search_source=yacom_desktop_common

DuckDuckGo:

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=Azerbaijan+State+News+Agency+&ia=web

Here are a couple apa.az articles:

https://en.apa.az/asia/israel-reports-casualties-for-the-first-time-since-the-fighting-in-lebanon-began-450093

The article simply quotes The Times of Israel. Notice the Israeli flag prominently displayed behind the soldiers.

Here’s what comes up if you put ‘Palestine’ in the apa.az website search bar:

https://en.apa.az/search-result?search=palestine

It’s just a collection of bland news reports from various countries.

A reaction to the missle strike from Iranian president Masoud Pezeshkian, sourced from Mehr. Israel says this. A UN agency warns that things are dire in Gaza…

There is nothing substantive here. At all.

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‘And Military Watch, which is the antithesis of a friend of the Resistance and does not go out on limbs very much.’

Military Watch was started by Kings College graduate Abraham Ait-Tahar:

‘Our Director and Chief Editor Abraham Ait is a graduate of King’s College London specialising in military affairs.’

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/about_us

https://kclpure.kcl.ac.uk/portal/en/persons/abraham-ait-tahar

https://muckrack.com/abraham-ait/articles

Back in April 2021 Alan Macleod wrote an article about Kings College London for Mint Press News entitled ‘The School for Spooks: The London University Churning Out NATO Spies:

‘Last week, MintPress exposed how the supposedly independent investigative collective Bellingcat is, in fact, funded by a CIA cutout organization and filled with former spies and state intelligence operatives. However, one part of the story that has remained untold until now is Bellingcat’s close ties to the Department of War Studies at King’s College London, an institution with deep links to the British security state and one that trains a large number of British, American and European agents and defense analysts.’

https://www.mintpressnews.com/school-for-spooks-kings-college-war-studies-churning-out-nato-spies/276736/

Here is a fascinating reddit post from six years ago (a year after Military Watch dropped) with some more info. These guys all think Military Watch is Russian propaganda:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/9bkcfo/how_credible_or_noncredible_is_military_watch/?rdt=48937

So we now have a situation where an outlet founded/run by a Kings College spook is being presented as a good source by Yves et al because they are ‘the antithesis of a friend of the Resistance’ although we aren’t told why – the backgroud that I just spent some time looking into doesn’t seem to matter to NakedCapitalism.

Yet this same source is seen as Russian propaganda, or something along those lines. by others.

This would all be in the interest of a ‘supra-national’ deep state apparatus working in unison globally, akin to the BS right-left divide in the United States (and everywhere).

It’s a faux binary.

‘and does not go out on limbs very much.’

Uh oh:

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/video/russian-air-force-vs-us-air-force-summary-global-war

Finally some decent wide area imagery of the impacts at Nevatim:

https://x.com/ArmsControlWonk/status/1841985294368964944

More detailed interpretation here:

https://horsdoeuvresofbattle.blog/2024/10/04/imint-irans-strike-on-nevatim-airbase/

They’re assessing 32 hits (materially more than I counted from the various videos – clearly some hits not captured), significantly including a few in the F-35 basing area close to aircraft shelters. Overall, not much indication of damage – again, hardened airfields are tough to take out of action.

To what end does it ultimately matter if you’re on the receiving end of Israel’s largely US-supplied nukes?

This is a bad mistake on my part. I am sorry.

The nukes are NOT US-supplied. Much of the conventional weapons are. The nuclear know-how and the materials were all stolen from the US and the weapons were built in Israel.

So nukes are all on Israel and the war crimes tribunals – whether nukes are used or not – it is the Jewish State of Israel and its leaders who will be put on trial as Jewish Zionists, just as German leaders were put on trial as German Nazis.

Gentiles unite. I call for anti-gentilism education and monitors in all non-Jewish nations and states the world over.

That would be every one except Israel.