Charlie Hebdo and the Moral Moment

Yes, yes and yes.
Mentioned to co-worker discussing this that fallu*g*ah was the biggest terrierist attack of the 21st century and he just kind of took it in…maybe he’s thinking about it. I’m never happy about people being hurt, anywhere, but think we must approach anything in MSM with maximum scrutiny. There is no such thing as news events outside of propaganda, hasn’t been for decades. Only question is: can we establish any reliable facts? I start from the premise all is suspect.

Still I wonder what to make of it, in light of so many other staged events. For the 9-‘lven doubters, well, just think of gladio…

What do you think of this link?
http://thelightofdayradioshow.com/archives/Dinardo/FAKE%20PARIS%20SHOOTING%20BLANKS%20Jan%207th%202015%20FRENCH%20SATIRE%20With%20Slow%20Motion.mp4

Supposedly this is the key moment in video.
Watch the slo-mo.
I don’t see a drop of liquid anywhere?

What do you think of this link?

I think it’s crap it’s perfectly possible for there to be no exit wound in a head shooting.
It’s also entirely possible to be headshot and not to jerk or spasm as a result particularly if there was a lot of yaw as the bullet entered. Doesn’t make you any the less dead, or the person who shot you any the less a killer – or in this case a murderer.

mfi

Well as Stalin remarked Ian, once the numbers get large enough they become statistics and nothing more. Stalin was a very astute observer of humanity.

mfi

@ adrena January 10, 2015

I think this was the link you intended? Yours doesn’t seem to work:

‘Iran saved Baghdad from falling to ISIS,’ says Iraqi MP – Al Arabiya News

It is worth considering the source – “Hadi al-Ameri, a former minister who commands the Badr militia” that would be the Hadi al-Ameri who returned from exile in Iran along with Abdul Aziz al-Hakim and who has had a major part in running the Iranian trained, armed, and funded Badr Brigades/Badr Organisation ever since.

The al-Arabiya story is just one of many reporting a chorus from ISCI politicians and ISCI death squad leaders such as al-Ameri talking up the importance of Iranian interventions against ISIS.

I’m not not denying that there’s been Iranian intervention and I’m not denying that such intervention(s) are important. But nevertheless sometimes you need to consider the source which in this case is somebody who has a vested interest in talking up Iranian involvement and its importance.

mfi

On second thought, now that I’ve read more about the Badr militia, I can see where you’re coming from.

Saving Baghdad from ISIS, is about preventing Sunnis from inflicting sectarian violence on the Shia: The Shia want to maintain the upper hand in administering violence to the Sunni population in Iraq.

If you want peace, work for Justice. – John Paul VI

I’m betting that’s either Paul VI or one of the 2 John Pauls (though it sounds like John XXIII).

There, my inner compulsive pedant is mollified.

Opus Iustitia Pax, Peace the work of justice!

Twelve killed in france by terrorists invokes total outrage which fills the media for days. Three dozen innocents participating in a wedding party killed by an American air strike deserves, at most, a passing mention on a back page. As Ian discussed earlerr, some lives matter, some don’t, and as he points out here while some murderous acts are horrific and shock the concience, some are just the daily business of war.

I’ve seen plenty of people shot cripes and I think that that video is crap. I’ve also explained why I think it’s crap.

It starts by making an allegation and then it shows a shooting again and again and again with the word bullshit being repeated every time the shooting is shown then it shows the shooting in slow motion with a statement that ‘proves’ no such shooting took place.
It’s crap.

You believe crap if you want to I’m not interested in crap from a site that seemingly promotes crap and nothing but crap.

(For the rest of us – just take a look at their marquee on the front page to see what I mean.

You’ll find it here: http://thelightofdayradioshow.com/

Now apart from the enjoyably retro design which took me back a couple of decades to some of the worst angelfire monstrosities. I mildly enjoyed the portentuous crap that the planet is “transcending into a 4th energy density”, the “secret moonbases and secret martian bases” crap was also moderately amusing. But I don’t think I’ll buy the anti-radiation from your cellphone crap that they’re flogging nor will I buy this crap.

mfi

Having reviewed the video frame by frame, it looks to me from the geometry of the shot to be a miss, at minimum missing the central part of the cranium and I think probably a complete miss. In order not to over-penetrate with 7.62 X 39 at that range, a regular issue round would have to misfire in some way (I guess it’s maybe possible some sort of weapons malfunction might bleed enough pressure off to slow the round sufficiently, but I’m having difficulty thinking of what the malfunction would plausibly be – and, in any case, that would fail to explain the level of impact debris from the sidewalk).

Unrelatedly, I find quite magnetic levels of irony in the quotation from Paul VI. My inner historian is bemused.

justplaindave examines the video and draws his conclusions based on his observations. I agree it looks like a total miss, but didn’t say it in order to learn what an objective person saw.

markfromireland won’t consider anything he sees because he doesn’t like the website hosting it, which I have never seen and don’t endorse. Fallacy of credibilty doesn’t really apply to a video. Oooh, and it’s retro! Cover my eyes!

I think some things can’t be thunk, and some thinks must be thunk to keep thinking like we thunk.

I agree with JPD, that looks like a near-miss. But to MFI’s point (I think) bullets are apt to do all sorts of weird things and don’t always act as one would expect. For all we know fragments of the sidewalk actually killed the victim. An autopsy report of the police officer would be useful, but I can’t find any information online as yet.

What’s more interesting to me is the worldview of someone like an Alex Jones or this Day fellow who believes all sorts of weird fringe stuff but fundamentally cannot/will not believe anything reported here in consensus reality; *everything* becomes a deception or “another false flag event.” What do they hope to accomplish by this?

Well, yes, that’s the thing. There is much opportunity for intemperate, wild-eyed speculation. I don’t know the answers, but I know better than to believe the television because it’s turned on.

On the other hand, if our alternative is to believe “consensus reality” as presented to us by western intelligence agencies, well, that’s a fool’s errand.

In 1946 “Irgun and Haganah terrorists, disguised as Arabs, set off seven large demolition bombs in the basement of the King David Hotel, which was the base for the British Secretariat and the military command in British-occupied Palestine. Ninety-one people were killed, most of them staff of the secretariat.”

Pat Buchanan, who is no hero of mine, reminds us that zion*sts celebrate the attack to this day:
“Rubbing our noses in our own cravenness, “Bibi” Netanyahu took time out, a week ago, from his daily appearances on American television denouncing terrorism to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the terror attack on the King David Hotel by Menachem Begin’s Irgun, an attack that killed 92 people, among them British nurses.

This was not a terrorist act, Bibi explained, because Irgun telephoned a 15-minute warning to the hotel before the bombs went off. Right. And those children in that basement in Qana should not have ignored the Israeli leaflets warning them to clear out of southern Lebanon.

Our Israeli friends appear to be playing us for fools.” Indeed.

Considering the potential for staged attacks implicating ay-rabs to gain political advantage after the French parliament voted overwhelmingly to recognize the state of Palestine is only responsible inquiry.

Beware consensus reality.

MFI: Hit the nail on the head again. ISIS, at its current level of skill, is showing its limitations (from a purely technical military point of view). While adept as high speed 3G warfare stuff, the ‘sticky’ urban environment has ground them to a halt basically.

I agree that they had zero chance of taking Bahgdad. Though if they had been smarter some slashing fast attacks on targets of high propaganda value might have been possible, like the US Embassy, before pulling out. Hitting the airport would have been another, seemingly logical, move, the fact that they didn’t do that causes me to raise an eyebrow.

The question is whether they will follow the hinting and ‘herding’ they are being given by the US, Turkey, SA, Israel, etc. Which is to get back to taking over Syria? They seem to have hit their Iraq limits, but they are being given clear incentives to get back to attacking Syria (such as Israel clearing the Golan for AQ and them).

Going back to the overall western/SA/Turkey/Israel ‘strategy’ they all would be very happy if IS gets back to Syria and then Lebanon. The only real area of disagreement between them is over the northern Kurds, which Turkey and SA would love to be exterminated. The southern Kurds are a total ‘no go’ area given US and Israeli involvement there. But internal politics means the US can’t really, though it would prefer to, allow that to happen.

So if the Turks can come to the party and give up their Kurdish wet dreams, and IS takes the hint and goes full stream at Syria, then the money, weapon, logistic, medical, etc spiggots will open up for them in a real big way.

I see a start of the propaganda move for US/Israeli/Turkish bombing of Syria happening again to clear the way for IS, this time over ‘nuclear’ weapons, this ballon just being flown recently (in that mouthpice Der Speigal). When Kerry starts jumping up and down over it then we will know it is a goer.

So the strategic and tactical balance has shifted against IS now. They blew a chance for some more big actual and propaganda wins and are now being squeezed into compliance by the ‘allies from hell’. Then again, they have shown quite a capacity for surprise so the ‘allies’ might not want to congratulate themselves too quickly.

As the French say: si ma tante en avaient on l’appellerait mon oncle… (if my aunt had balls, I’d call her uncle). That’s basically what you are saying when you write that without the Iraq war, they would probably never have been radicalized.

If you suppose many things, all may be possible. You are shifting the blame again.
But Wahhabism doesn’t need war to be an abject and violent form of Islam.

And after ranking lives, you keep ranking events. You do not justify the intolerable with the unspeakable. What kind of person do that?

There is a dubious tendency to accept the official story about internet-radicalized izlamists, etc. simply emerging from nowhere to stage these attacks in Quebec, Sydney, Paris etc, that is hard to swallow. I think it doesn’t go far enough to say “without Iraq, there would be no” (charlie hebdo, ad infinitums); perhaps the causation is more direct than that:

“The implications of yet another case of Western-radicalized terrorists, first exported to fight NATO’s proxy war in Syria, then imported and well-known to Western intelligence agencies, being able to carry out a highly organized, well-executed attack, is that the attack itself was sanctioned and engineered by Western intelligence agencies themselves,. This mirrors almost verbatim the type of operations NATO intelligence carried out during the Cold War with similar networks of radicalized militants used both as foreign mercenaries and domestic provocateurs. Toward the end of the Cold War, one of these militant groups was literally Al Qaeda – a proxy mercenary front armed, funded, and employed by the West to this very day.”

Paris Shooters Just Returned from NATO’s Proxy War in Syria
http://www.globalresearch.ca/paris-shooters-just-returned-from-natos-proxy-war-in-syria/5423517

Oh Joy! Just what the world needs more of – violence porn – slow-moed, dissected frame by frame, repeated endlessly. I also refuse to watch what will doubtlessly become another theory of some conspiracy. Instead, I think I shall just wait until all the reports are in, it shouldn’t take that much time to ascertain the facts as far as they can be known and only then try to find some interpretation or conclusion that fits those facts then available. All else is trash in, trash …, and life is too short for that.

A quick word about other popular conspiracy theories. In Dallas there were three shots fired, three wounds inflicted and one spent bullet was never found. An easy list can be made for all possible narratives from those facts. In NY at WTC, video clearly shows the initial collapse of a fire engulfed floor, the volume expelled from broken windows in a uniform pattern. That initial collapse was effectively that of free fall. The mass that had previously been supported was significantly greater than what engineering tests ever envisioned occurring. The conclusions drawn to support any conspiracy theory are bereft of facts. This goes for #7 WTC as well. Video clearly shows a crack in the visible face before the collapse began indicating some manner of structural failure preceding collapse. A fierce fuel fed fire had raged for hours beforehand and had spread to distant parts of the structure by the time of collapse. A recording contemporaneous of fire department communications indicated noises were being heard issuing from the building and the officer was declining to send his men into the structure sometime in the early afternoon that day. Those conspiracy theories are complete BS, particularly those ignoring a physical character of steel in that it begins loosing its strength against deformation at about 500ºF. At the Pentagon, most security cameras were most likely of low-definition, low speed variety operating intermittently. It is most unlikely any would be operating at the moment before the plane flew into the building but one happened to capture some ambiguous image. The conjectures that were made from the partial information contained enter into fiction. About the only conjecture derived from these theories worth considering is that the planes were operated through some external control devise but that evidence is long gone and any tracks of electromagnetic nature disappeared into the æther long ago. Any time information is incomplete does not automatically mean there is no rational explanation to be uncovered. Please sell your conspiracy theories elsewhere, thanks.

H.A. Hellyer د. إتش @hahellyer
If Muslims worldwide have to apologise for #CharlieHebdo, do Muslims worldwide have to be congratulated for #LassanaBathily? Just checking.
12:15 PM – 10 Jan 2015

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/11/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-kosher-supermarket-hostage-crisis.html

And just to be clear, the above does not lead into another chorus of “false flag”. Anytime you see a commentator pulling out that particular trope, it’s a sign they’re integrating with world view not analyzing.

@cripes

The implications of yet another case of Western-radicalized terrorists, first exported to fight NATO’s proxy war in Syria, then imported and well-known to Western intelligence agencies, being able to carry out a highly organized, well-executed attack, is that the attack itself was sanctioned and engineered by Western intelligence agencies themselves,.

Reminds me of this

Unfortunately, asking the right questions is often suppressed.

Juan Cole put some background together on this.
http://www.juancole.com/2015/01/qaeda-franchise-parallel.html

Re MH-17,”The Empire Strikes Back”.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/flight_mh17_searching_for_the_truth_of_a_war_crime_20150111

Quoting a Correct!V (Soros backed) ‘expose’.

In this they ramp up the propaganda even further, the story is from them that it was a Russian BUK team that shot down the plane, not just Russian equipment being used by ‘seperatists’. I leave it as an exercise to the readers here to pick the (very many) lies out (after laughing a lot).

“The Russian military under Vladimir Putin is responsible for the downing of MH17. The Russian military destabilized east Ukraine; it provided the separatists with troops and the equipment needed to kill the passengers aboard MH17. The attack could halve (sic) been intentional or occurred in a moment of panic.”

Looks like Ukraine is going to ramp up in 2015, or at least the US is trying to ramp it up.

Some of the EU countries national Govts are now having cold feet, the EU ‘elites’ are all the way with LBJ. The German National Security (etc) state plus Merkal are all the way too, though many of the old and economic elites in Germany are having real second thoughts.

So we are a seeng a (predicted) European fracturing, but Germany is still solid. Ukraine (Kiev) seems to be ramping up for more war, though how they will pay for it is a mystery. US equipment is starting to flow in, though it is debatable what impact that could have.

Also I doubt Kiev has the forces left after their thumping to achieve much, hence their resort to continuing ‘terror’ attacks. If the US wants to get another real war going extra forces and equipment are going to have to come in from somewhere else, NATO or from an individual country (like Poland). If they tried another full scale attack with their current resources you’d expect the same result…massive losses for Kiev.

Trying to read the tea leaves within the US policy elite my guess is that the US wants, at least, some more conflict/incident/etc to justify a further economic crack down on Russa (say kicking them out of SWIFT). Ideally they would want far more of course, but even they have to acknowledge some reality on the ground (sometime).