I Am So Happy About Gay Marriage Being Legal in the US

I understand Obama also gave a moving eulogy in South Carolina for the innocents massacred there.

Let me know when he does the same for the innocent he kills every day.

Great step forward.

It is too easy to dismiss this ‘as something the elites’ don’t care about. That lets the ‘US ‘progressives’ in other areas off the hook.

Many of the same elites, that win at just about every turn in other areas, were virulently against marriage equality and fought with everything they had against it.

The progressive activists in other areas need to learn a few tricks from the LGBTI ones, this win didn’t come from nothing, it was decades of work by many unsung and unpaid heros working at all levels of media, community and politics.

As an example: How did the LGBTI movement move US public sentiment in favour of marriage equality, an essential part of the process?

So I disagree Mark, it lets the, so often inept, US (etc) progressives off the hook and gives them an easy excuse for their endless losses. In fact that dismissive attitude is a classic example of why they have been (and until they change will reman) ineffective.

The US has not passed the ERA, the entire feminist movement (plus all its supporters) failed in that, but the GLBTI movement managed to get the far more divisive, threatening and much harder fought against marriage equality up?

So who is effective? It is not the role of LGBTI activists to work on everything, we have our own incredibly serious and life threatening issues to fight, but maybe, just maybe, the other activists in other areas might pull their heads out and learn a few tricks.

The reality about the daft US Obamacare failure was simply that the US ‘left’ and ‘progressive’ had rings ran around them by Obama. Even after the debacle had ended far too many of them were still defending him (“it was the best he could do….”)…. The real lesson of that disaster was that the US progressives are all incompetent. Watching the slow, tardy and again amateurish way they have responded to TISA, TPP and TIPP just confirms that.

Yes a great win and a lesson to others, you want to change things…pull the finger out. And another lesson, we in the GLBTI community never give up, even when we get (and we have had many and will have many more in the future) set backs.
If we had lost this Supreme Court ruling, we would still keep fighting another way. Another weakness of the ‘progressives’ in other areas is that they give up totally when they get a setback. If you took the LGBTI attitude to Obamacare we would have still kept fighting on, working on and getting continual changes and tweaks to it until, eventually, it might be turned into something half decent (or at least not as bad).

Part of that attitude I think comes from the fact that back in the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s the ‘progressives’ had a lot of ‘insider’ power and can’t adapt to the fact they have none now (and whinge all the time about that). We LGBTI ones never had that and have to fight as ‘outsiders’ all along the way.

The other issue is the way we deal with ‘turncoats’ versus how they get treated elsewhere. We quickly marginalise them and fight against them (eg TG people vs certain old school feminists). Immediately they turn they get put in the ‘enemy’ camp and treated as such with no holds barred.

Elsewhere? Endless time wasted on them trying to turn them back, or negotiate, or compromise, make all sorts of excuses for them or…whatever. Look at all the turncoats in so many NGOs and the easy ride they get, compared to how (just recently) someone stepped out of line in a GLBTI rights organisation and was hammered out of their job so fast it was not funny.

Sorry to be so blunt, but even in the US the vast majority of the population is (and has been) mostly in line with ‘progressive’ ideas on the economy and society. The fact those activists have not been able to utilise that effectively says a lot about them.

52 and gay here (and single, duh), and I can’t believe how underwhelmed I am by this. I think I emotionally reacted more to the smaller, less inevitable steps. Killing DOMA last year even felt much more momentous than this. Actually, the biggest reaction I had was to that stupid Ellen show, which surprised me, because I did not even plan to watch that. But back then actually seeing an out gay character on National TV turned out to be a very surreal experiences.

I for one will never forget or forgive Obama for his prop 8 phone messages in CA that supposedly were technically not antigay, but effectively and intentiionally were very antigay, antiequality.

Ian says he’s not all bad. I haven’t seen what isn’t bad about him yet, but like Dubya before him, as soon as I hear his voice, I’m reaching for the off button. He may not be the worst by a stretch, but as far as I’m concerned he is all bad, and it it 10 times more offensive because of his platitudes and posturing and smugness, and the fact that he gets a pass on 99% of his shittyness (he even gets a preemptive Nobel for giving “soaring” speeches, whatever the fuck people mean by that). He can burn in Hell for all I care.

Hillary at least has never got much of a pass on anything, so I can’t hate on her to the same degree. But the prospect of a Hillary presidency is about 90% as unappealing to me as the current one. At first I wanted Sanders to run, if only to force the so far nonexistent field to the left. Now I won’t be satisfied with anything less than victory.

Especially after TPA this week. Maybe TPA is what has ruined today’s news for me. I don’t know why, but that defeat seems very ominous to me, as though we are now committed to Euro style self destruction via the banks.

I can’t say anything authoritative about the who accomplished what with this LGBT victory. But it sure seems strange that women can’t get on the stick about women’s rights, especially abortion. Back in 1980, I never would have imagined that abortion would still be so contentions 35 years later, and especially would not have imagined they would have gone backwards so far.
I don’t know who is to blame, ladies, but if you actually care about this shit (maybe it’s not that important to you), maybe it’s time for your organization to fire your lobbyist team in DC and start raising some hell (or get rid of your too comfy, too polite, feminist organizations as well). Abortion has a lot of ick associated with it, but 20 years ago, openly gay men in public was considered a lot ickier.

Social progress at the domestic level are the scraps they throw the dogs to keep them from barking. The conservative god, guns, bible push-back comes with the territory and is a useful distraction, like professional sports. Social progress will always achieve victories and the game will go on. (Meanwhile we won’t bring up the uncomfortable fact that Americans do not have even the most basic human rights, including the universal right to housing, food, education, or health care.)

The only real issue, the big money issues, are unfolding on the world stage in the US singular quest for Total Empire Control. Everything else falls under that category, including the TTP, TTIP, banking and finance, and most murder and mayhem everywhere else. These are the Neocon States of American, and all presidents are vetted, selected, and given $2billion to make certain the Neocons win — that includes Obama and the only two candidates in the 2016 race (once you strip away the kabuki distraction) — Clinton and Bush.

I won’t belabor this, but I did run across an interesting comment just today that lends an illuminating perspective:

The communists who run the U.S. Empire are Trotskyites; the communists who built the Soviet Union were Leninists and Stalinists. The Trotskyites seek world domination, regardless of the cost in human lives. Their Stalinist rivals sought “socialism in one country” — a far more sensible approach, in my opinion.

The Stalinists supported national liberation movements, the peace movement, peaceful co-existence, rights for women, and rights for labor. They industrialized a peasant society, defeated the Nazis, rebuilt the country and pioneered the exploration of space, while holding the U.S. Empire at bay and fostering cultural diversity in the Soviet Union — quite a feat!

The Trotskyites despised the Soviet Union because it rejected their rabid ideology. Stalin banished them and had Trotsky assassinated in Mexico. In the U.S., the Trotskyites infiltrated the conservative movement. They are the neo-cons and neo-libs we see today. Now that Russia has abandoned communism altogether, the Troitskyites (neo-cons) hate it even more than they hated the Soviet Union.

Alas, this cannot not be changed from inside the United States. In my opinion.

Although mandating as federal law the right of homosexual couples to marry is a great “equalizer” in terms of collective equitableness, it is still a red herring meant to distract the general public from a lot of the more underhanded activities our government routinely engages in.

Monster: It’s the Empire that unifies the demands of Capital. Not the other way around.