America’s Future Now: We have to get the public to support us to make Obama do the right thing

This was epitomized by a “debate” between Darcy Burner and Deepak Bhargava, where they both agreed that the key to progressive change is organzing: get the public behind us, and change can be made to happen. FDR wouldn’t have been FDR without the movement behind him. LBJ wouldn’t have been behind civil rights without the movement. And so on.

For those who want to hear this “debate” (two separate speeches), you can hear it at KPFA’s website:

http://kpfa.org/archive/id/61621

Obama through the public

“through” -> “threw”
“y9u’re” -> “you’re”

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It seems to me that this is something the Republican machine understood many administrations ago.

I’ve mentioned it here before, but James Douglass’s phenomenal book on Jack Kennedy (JFK and the Unspeakable) is worth reading. Or instead of wasting your time on those speeches at the KPKA site, you can listen to Douglass speak about his book.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srstQVfVNEM

The thing about Kennedy is he fought like hell against his enemies and even when he lost, he went down swinging… a sailor to the end. As for Obama, I believe he’s first president since Wilson who was a university professor before going into politics.

The thing about Kennedy is …

…that his handling of the October Missile Crisis was the single greatest act of diplomacy ever. Had he done what the military and others were clamoring for most of us wouldn’t be here today.

Pain. Obama responds to pain. You can’t ask nicely, because he won’t listen unless y9u’re hurting him.

Pain, and potential loss of power. These are the things he will care about. Nothing else matters. I’ve been saying that for a long time. That I’ve been able to recognize this should indicate that it’s not a terribly remarkable insight. Yet it seems to be beyond many of the folks at this conference.

Until progressives learn this lesson, nothing is going to change for the better.

Once again, I will note that “the public option” referred to no fixed thing.

We got double-screwed, by career “progressives” who brilliantly got most of us to take our eye off the ball of real HCR and by Obama who wouldn’t even deliver that placebo.

This is worth noting, not just on long-term policy grounds, but to understand what a complete FAIL progressive politics is in America today. We’re advocating for nothingburgers… and not getting them, and then debating how to be more effective at maybe getting the next one.

“Mind you, gays didn’t get everything, but they got something.”

Yeah, unlike the tortured, the detained, and the dead.

Embarrassing Obama? The man is a living, breathing, painful embarrassment. Let’s get to the point:

“Bush’s statement amounts to an admission of his role in a serious crime. He can speak and act without concern because the Obama White House has announced its intention not to enforce American domestic law, under which this conduct was a felony, and not to comply with the unequivocal treaty commitments of the Convention Against Torture, under which the United States is unconditionally obligated to undertake a criminal investigation. In this way, the sins of one regime have been assumed by its successor.”
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/06/hbc-90007166

Just how much bargaining does this “progressive” bowel movement entail, and how many non-citizens will have to bleed out under the campaign bus for “four more years” of this? What does it take? The whole “Make him FDR” drivel has carried way beyond its expiration date, and the stench has become that of an abbatoir.

What anonymous said about DADT makes sense to me but I can’t see any significant reforms left in capitalism. Capitalism is not expanding–it is contracting–and the leftovers that the ruling elite used to share with the working class are gone. Obama, to be a great leader for the “people,” would have to step outside this reality and rally for the fundamental changes that many in this country are asking for: universal single payer health care, cutting the military budget, getting troops out of the rest of the world, expanding public education at all levels, feeding the poor, housing the poor…make your own list. This would demand a fundamentally different understanding on his part. The democrat party, the house, the senate, the supreme court, the major media, the military…you get the idea…all these players who make up the State apparatus would also need to have a fundamentally different understanding.

Let’s for the sake of argument say at this point in history you can’t reform capitalism. Then, if all Obama can do is reform capitalism, he has an impossible job. Wait, he can reform capitalism as it contracts to help the major corporations in this country maintain a greater margin of profits and make sure that the property relations remain status quo? Is this not exactly what he is doing?

I can’t see any significant reforms left in capitalism.

Here’s my back-of-the-envelope calculation:

1. Health care costs in the U.S. were about 17% of GDP, where GDP was around $14 trillion. The nearest GDP expenditure was Canada’s at around 10% of Canada’s GDP. Most of western Europe and Japan had even smaller expenditures. And keep in mind that those countries covered all of their citizens, while the U.S. left about 1/6 of the population without coverage. If the other 40+ million citizens were to be covered, the cost would be near 20% of U.S. GDP. Let’s say that the U.S. was to come up with a reform that cut the 17% of GDP down to 10% of GDP, saving 7% of GDP. 7% of $14 trillion is roughly $980 billion per year that is lost on unproductive work, that doesn’t cover the entire population and has worse health outcomes (higher infant mortality, etc.) than the countries that pay so much less.

Is a $980 billion per year reform not “significant?”

2. The military budget for 2009 was $876 billion*, which arguably could be cut to its pre-Cold War level in 1950 of around $250 billion, or over $600 billion. Is that not “significant?” Or, even if it was cut to its Cold War level from 1955 to 1965 of around $350 billion, that is still $500 billion saved.

3. I don’t know how to calculate how much is wasted yearly on the FIRE sector. In 1980, the financial industry’s share of corporate profits was approximately 8%. By 2007, its share was approximately 40%. Reforming this sector of the economy would likely also save hundreds of billions of dollars annually.

4. For thirty years since Carter left the presidency, the U.S. has done nothing to end its dependency on imported oil. This bill is hundreds of billions of dollars per year, and that’s not even including the cost of the military expenses.

Combined, these expenses are multiple trillions out of a nearly $14 trillion GDP.

These are the profits that obama is protecting (some people can come up with others, I expect). Worst of all, while protecting these profits, he and the ruling class are not doing anything about moving the economy to a non-fossil-fuel based means of production and transportation, which the planet is not negotiating (see, global warming).

*http://www.warresisters.org/federalpiechart

Those jobs are offered on the strength of the power that politicians have accumulated during their internship, Lambert. If they lose it before they leave office, those contracts are likely to be less lucrative.

“It is presented as a foreign policy decision, but in fact is a domestic policy decision.” I believe it is both.

The U.S. strategy is to gain control of the global economy by blunting the development of its various competitors (European Union, China, Russia). It is doing this by trying to strangle the development of their economies through the control of access to oil. This requires more than economic power. The U.S. must position itself geopolitically throughout the world to accomplish these goals. The establishment of U.S. controlled regimes in the Middle East and Central Asia, the encirclement of China, the undermining of Russia in its historical spheres of influence and now the attempts to isolate and crush Iran are all part of this.

The history of U.S. economic development is a constant story of giant giveaways: dollars, land, roads, resources, military contracts, risk insurance and more – public wealth put into private hands. As the economy grew, it brought incredible wealth to a small class of people and a comfortable standard of living to millions of workers integral to the productive process.
Today’s bailouts and the nationalization of failing industries – with the goal of getting them healthy and putting them back into private hands – are different from the giveaways of the past. They are a recognition that private ownership and the market no longer can meet society’s needs. When the market can no longer guarantee the profits of the corporations and the government steps in to protect them.

Breaking down all barriers to global capital and investment either by economics, politics or by the military is a necessary aspect of the process of globalization which the U.S. based capitalists must take care of . To compete globally, the U.S. capitalist must feed the military and, in doing so, the military contractors; they in turn provide some jobs for some districts in the country that help guarantee the Representative will be elected to vote for even more military spending.

The U.S. strategy is to gain control of the global economy by blunting the development of its various competitors (European Union, China, Russia). It is doing this by trying to strangle the development of their economies through the control of access to oil.

If so, it is doing a piss-poor job of it. Russia is a net oil and natural gas exporter (especially to the EU), and China is able to get all of the oil that it wants without having to spend a stupid amount of its GDP on wasteful military spending, unlike the U.S.

LBJ and FDR, though, were reachable through their sympathy with the poor, weak, and oppressed, and when strong movements arrived that spoke for those people, they could be backed into supporting those movements. To sway Obama, we must first find his sympathies, and so far we do not know where they are, though his Supreme Court picks suggest a passion for law and perhaps justice.

Capitalists, like any other powerful group, will give up power or money or anything else when the alternative to doing so is worse than doing so.

Jared Diamond, from 2003:

http://www.ted.com/talks/jared_diamond_on_why_societies_collapse.html

At around 11:30 minutes into the talk.

And so, I’ve been trying to develop a hierarchical set of
considerations about why societies fail to solve their problems.
Why they fail to perceive the problems, or if they perceive them, why
they fail to tackle them. Or, if they fail to tackle them, why do
they fail to succeed in solving them?

…

One blueprint for trouble, making collapse likely, is where there is a
conflict of interest between the short-term interest of the
decision-making elites and the long-term interest of the society as a
whole, especially if the elites are able to insulate themselves
from the consequences of their actions. Where what’s good in the
short run for the elite is bad for the society as a whole, there’s a
real risk of the elite doing things that would bring society down in
the long run.

…

Those same issues of conflicts of interest are acute in the United
States today. Especially because the decision makers in the United
States are frequently able to insulate themselves from consequences by
living in gated compounds, by drinking bottled water, and so on. And
within the last couple of years, it’s been obvious that the elite in
the business world correctly perceive that they can advance their
short-term interest by doing things that are good for them but bad for
society as a whole, such as draining a few billion dollars out of
Enron and other businesses. They are quite correct that these things
are good for them in the short term, although bad for society in the
long term.

And that was before the TARP vote, where they showed that when
they are threatened by the consequences of their decisions (a
decade of bank fraud), they will act quickly to insulate themselves
from the consequences of their foolish prior acts, even overturning
a ‘No’ vote within a week, if needed.

the progressive constituency will tune in and organize en masse if the issue on the table is accountability. that’s what’s making people ballistic. obama stated his position on that on day 1. he doesn’t believe it’ s helpful to look back at the criminal wars and plunder and rape of the body politic. no sir, it’s forward march.
so many stories of endless rip-offs and grand theft. we could dramatize 1 a night and never run out.
make a list. the most egregious cases interspersed with…..

“He doesn’t care about incumbency, now that he’s a made man.”

Fair enough. I am not particularly interested in the education and rehabilitation of Obama.
I want to get rid off him. In the long run, even Presidenta Palin would be better for the world, if not the nation.

If it is true that neither shame nor loss of re-election – nor impeachment – will influence a man once elected, we should probably polygraph and interrogate – and hey, for good measure, waterboard – anybody running for public office. Because there does not seem to be any other way to determine what they are made of before it is too late.

Because there does not seem to be any other way to determine what they are made of before it is too late.

Before he ran for President, Obama already had a clear record of embracing anyone who could give him campaign donations and avoiding making anyone who could make his political life difficult uncomfortable. He was known as “Mr. Present” in the Illinois legislature for all the “present” votes he recorded there on issues that might have lost him one supporter or another. All this was clearly known.

The other clue to who Obama really was came in the form of his advisors. His advisors on foreign policy and economics advocated the policies he’s pursuing now.

The trick is that you have to pay attention to the deeds, not to the words. Obama was an open book once you looked past the words.

>>That’s blasphemy, Carolyn!

>>He already is G*d.

Well, it seems to be my lot to offend everybody.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com