AOC Is Bernie’s Heir Because She Was Loyal When It Mattered

Warren also is 75

Well, large numbers of people will gather like iron filings around Bernie and the magnetic AOC.

They will come for the AOC-Bernie, but they might stay for eachother. Or at least some of them might.

The whole “squad” trope was just a msm sleight-of-hand to distract from the Democratic caucus takeover by the security state types: conservatives with military, police and intelligence agency backgrounds became far more numerous and typical among new and relatively young Dem Congress critters.

There is neither a left nor a working-class in the Democratic Party. Just a veal pen for the unwary and those in a political coma since 1995.

Well, my thinking has been slightly reconfigured by the points Revelo and B Wilder made about the president needing to be someone who can survive the narrative control system in this country. When it is pointed out that AOC is a sellout I think, okay, that’s how she is coping with the system. Can she find a way to do some good despite the compromises she will have to make?

Also, isn’t it the case that Congress is chock full of geezers? Over the years when AOC might hold office there will be fairly massive changes in the people who will be sitting in Congress as the elders die off and get replaced. Those will be the people AOC will have to deal with to get anything done. Who will be in the legislature after these massive personnel changes and how will that modify the politics of the place?

In fact, wondering what a post-geezer Congress would look like leads me to wonder about Israel and AIPAC, with its outsized impact on that legislative body. The carnage and damage to US interests from these people are only going to keep escalating, so what will that lead to a few years from now?

If AOC actually stands for something, the Dems will not let her get anywhere. Same as Bernie. If she wants to win as a Dem, she has to give up whatever actual principles she has.
Dems probably would be very happy to bring Bernie voters back into party fold tho. If that means offering her the office, I can see that happening. She falls in line and kites the voters in, the door opens up for her.
Obviously nothing that Bernie voters ask will be happening in that arrangement, so now there is two possibilities. Either they become disillusioned and drop out of the voter pool, giving team R a boost, or there emerges a new leader.
My Seldon skills are not up to the task on the latter one, but this much I do know: the Bernie movement needs to be grown into a new party, and somehow, one that does not finance itself, neither it’s people, via business money. The current arrangement of two parties advancing essentially the same business interest agenda can only end in either a collapse, or a blowup, and possibly, both. The writing is on the wall.

I agree with mago, bruce, & Finster.

AOC is and has always been an Op. It may be impossible to fully prove, but someone in the 3-letter agencies recruited her way back when she was interning for Ted Kennedy’s office.

Bernie sold out his “movement”, once he had some good ideas and 10+ years ago he had some solid achievements in the legislative realm. But he got old and stupid (Ralph Nader recently denounced Putin as an evil “dictator”!! Once Ralph was whip-smart, now in his 90s he is brain-dead. It happens to even the best.) Bernie doesn’t have the self-defense moves of a Trump, so he stood by and let the Dems steal the nomination from him openly, twice!! Additionally, his wife as a member of the political class got into some sketchy legal trouble, so then he was basically blackmailed into becoming the human centipede at the Butt-end of Brain-Bleed Biden, his “good friend”!! When the Russiagate crew put out disinfo that “Putin is supporting Bernie” in 2020, he went right along with it, though no evidence was ever shown to anyone.

As someone noted recently, the Bernie/ AOCIA superzero pair-up is out on the hustings to . . . get donations for “Act Blue” which will go to the likes of “Leader” Hakeem Jeffries, a vicious Zionist who says the Dems are weak and can’t/ won’t lift a finger to oppose all Trump’s outrages.

Yes, the “Squad” should’ve been labeled “The Fraud” from day one. They refused to stand up to the likes of Pelosi and force a vote on M4A for the benefit of the saps who voted for them. They hippie-punch Left at a level that the Clintons would be proud of. They are all for endless war, even WW III with Russia, more hawkish than the RePugs most of the time. (They all get kickbacks on the paydays the War Pigs and MIC get from endless war.)

We now have a political Nomenklatura among both parties which is as sclerotic, corrupt and clueless as the Soviets’ version was c. 1988. (There are very few exceptions. Thomas Massey comes to mind, he is a free-speech absolutist and refuses to take Zionist money. Marjorie Taylor Green is mostly quite stupid and reactionary, but to her credit she also refuses to take AIPAC bribes and seems to actually be sincerely anti-War. Is there a single Dem worthy to shine the shoes of either of these 2? Not that I know.)

AOC’s back-story of being a “working-class bartender” from the Bronx (or wherever, not worth my time to research) is phony through and through. Look at the tongue-bath New York magazine gave her here– https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/aoc-biography-book-excerpt.html

She meets the Hillbot standard of being a “person of color” and additionally is conventionally attractive. (That’ll be gone by the time she’s 40, see Orwell’s comment that we all get the face we deserve by the time we are 50.)

She does not comport herself in public as an adult. At a small rally (barely 1,000 people bothered to show up) last year before the election with Bernie, AOC and Rep. Jamal “Fire-alarm” Bowman” she danced and chanted like a little cheerleader. Her pal Bowman got primaried by AIPAC and the War-pigs and his 15 minutes of fame ended.

Harry S. Truman was a high school graduate and failed haberdasher who was a cog in the Pendergast machine and got rewarded with the Presidency. (He at least some times dazzled the plebs with pithy little bon mots, but overall was not very bright or perceptive.) AOC is cut from the same cloth as Truman, just in a different era. It’s all Society of the Spectacle.

I try to ingest as little poison as possible. The suckers can vote for “leaders” like AOC. I will demur, “I prefer not to.”

Representative Ocasio Cortez was and continues to be elected to represent her district. Mr. Welsh, that is how our federal system works. Her constituents, the people in HER district who voted for her, expect her to be an effective member of Congress for their interests. She might have won her first election because of one of us, but she is expected to keep delivering for her district. Sure, that means federal money, but it also means working with other congresspersons, it means voting in accordance with her voters’ beliefs, and it means conducting herself with a modicum of decorum and decency. Democratic voters generally don’t like rowdy attention seekers like Rep. Marjory Green. What sank Kucinich’s presidential aspirations is that he is a crazy drama queen.

If she has as much sense as I think she does, I doubt she will run for president. BUT, public speaking is a major talent she has, and she is deploying it to make sure that the 2028 nominee must have her endorsement. Kamala Harris, or Mark Kelly or Andy Bashear is going to have to negotiate with her. Don’t forget that she has put in lots of time and travel campaigning for other progressives, include some whom she must have known were going to lose. It would not surprise me at all if one of her demands is get the AIPAC money out of our party.

As for AIPAC and Israeli influence, I think that faction has overplayed its’ hand. In this time of smart reporters knowing how to use the internet to track down where money is coming from, all a DSA recruited candidate will have to do is runs adds showing the devastation in Gaza and then point out how much money his or her primary opponent is receiving from AIPAC. Josh Shapiro’s presidential aspirations have already died in Gaza.

AOC’s speech endorsing Sanders after his heart attack is one of the best political speeches I have ever heard. It was clear, easy to understand, down to earth but not corny or stupid. My daughter was in the crowd, and I wish I had been there.

Warren stayed in the race long after it was clear her campaign wasn’t viable. This split the progressive primary vote, instead of throwing her support to Sanders.

Then she got to pick Lina Khan. Quid pro quo?

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AOC’s speech endorsing Sanders after his heart attack is one of the best political speeches I have ever heard. It was clear, easy to understand, down to earth but not corny or stupid. My daughter was in the crowd, and I wish I had been there.

I somewhat regret to say I didn’t hear that speech. But not too much. Here’s why.

I recall how the Dems I knew 20 years ago practically did handsprings over Barack Obama’s 2004 DNC speech. My painfully acquired realism forced me to reply that the content of his speech, however inspirational it might be, had no, as in “zero“, value, in predicting what his policies and actions might be once elected. And it was his policies and actions that would count, long after his words were forgotten.

We all saw, painfully and at length, how that worked out.

My considered advice is to take AOC’s speeches, no matter what their content might be or how they might make you feel, with a very large grain of salt. What she actually does is all that matters. ALL. That is the only way you can discover what her actual character might be, and what impact she will have if elected.

What sank Kucinich’s political aspirations, presidential or otherwise was his truthfulness in a world of mendacity, but yeah, whatever.

AOC represents money and her own interests, and if her constituents are incidentally benefited, hooray! It burnishes her creds.

Her lofty ideals weren’t compromised by the corrupt system in which she plays, she’s a chameleon whose physical sheen will dull as age and gravity do their trick and the curves and taut mounds go south. (Thanks ML for the insightful comments, btw.)

And oh yeah, the geezers are going down, but their spawn and ideologies will carry on. That shit carries through the generations, like ethnic hatred. Whatever happened to Victoria Nuland, btw? Not that I care. There’s always another one where that came from, so yeah. Here we go again. . .

I rememeber everyone at NC being elated.

I was really feeling it too.

Who’s next?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q

I believe that the ‘hard left’ movements and structures of the 60’s and into the 70’s were getting a lot of financing and other ‘assistance’ from outside the country.

I don’t know that the same level of assistance and coordination is happening now and that’s probably because the other countries – and I’m really thinking of Russia now – these countries are themselves more capitalistic than they were then. Certainly Russia is. It may not be neoliberal but it ain’t the USSR.

Xi Jinping recently said ‘no welfarism.’

I believe in the welfare of the people and I believe any even remotely market-based/capitalistic society will produce many who ‘fall through the cracks’ and that holds even more true as populations are being moved from – alright ‘poor’ by shiny new city standards but at least almost entirely self-supporting – moved from these environments to more urban environments.

We correctly rue the loss of non-tech skils here in the US and I have to imagine the same has happened in fast developing economies that are almost entirely tech-based. I hope I am wrong.

If/when things get really bad it may come down to the local cops and other such positions having to be on ‘our’ side which they are already economically.

steppenwolf fetchit continues to inspire.

This is interesting and strange and a bunch of things rolled into one:

N.J. Tesla dealership becomes a battleground. Dueling Musk rallies spill onto highway

https://www.nj.com/bergen/2025/03/tesla-dealership-in-paramus-becomes-battleground-for-musk-trump-protests.html

The Spadea guy running for governor was recently at Trump’s Bedminster estate sucking up to the big power players. Now he’s out on the highway with the Musk-Trump people – a very varied group at least according to this article.

The simple act of the postman giving the dog a biscuit may bear fruit.

AOC and Bernie should go to simple events like this. Get out there face-to-face instead of hiding behind a podium up on a stage.

Maybe a more rebel-type figure will emerge ‘on the left’ to do just that.

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I do not mean to ‘read’ as a mean, uncaring person. Nor certainly ‘holier than thou.’

I am direct but I hope I also elicit a very vulnerable side in my writing which is very real. I sometimes think I read as pathetic.

I am sorry. It isn’t my intention to offend anyone.

I will do better.

A gentle correction to MJ, aka “miss jennings”– AOC wore a “Tax the Rich” dress to a rich person’s gala. Eat the Rich is an actual Radical’s motto, and as unconvincingly as she feigned being a “progressive”, she never actually took the Fraud/Squad game to feigning radicalism.

The info on her discovering “Jewish” roots is telling, I guess once some people are “In” they desire to become even “Inner”. One of your better posts after a couple of recent misfires, so thank you.

My disappointment less the sell out or being co-opted, but that there aren’t more politicians who echo the New Deal Democrats like her or Bernie. The Democratic bench is thin, and the players so old. It’s a numbers game, to get past the filter and eventually make good.