Coronavirus Bungling Is What We Voted For

@ Ian Welsh,

Do you remember what the alternative was?

The alternative was an administration of antirussianitic culture-racist antirussianites and jihad supporters ( Syria) who were eager to take reckless risks of thermonuclear exchange between the only two peer nuclear powers on earth.

Since Clinton posed the greater danger of thermonuclear exchange with Russia, I voted for Trump because Trump was the lesser evil on that particular issue. If the Democrats find a way to install Clinton onto the ticket yet again, I will vote for Trump yet again because coronavirus will kill way fewer than a thermonuclear exchange with Russia would kill.

Sometimes Hobson’s Pastry Tray is all life presents us with.

There has been lots of talks of COVID 19 was engineered by America as a bio-weapon to wreck havoc on China’s economy and growth. If it was, then it will most certainly backfire in America. China has an authoritarian system, in which the government can lock down entire cities and people would comply to effectively control the spread the coronavirus. Now that COVID 19 has spread into the America, the impact of the epidemic will most certainly be more devastating to US economy and population than it has for China. The US government cannot lock down cities, and Americans are not compliant people who would just obey their government’s instructions. The US also does not have an universal or even affordable healthcare system, so a lot of people would be priced out of being diagnosis (which cost over $3000 even for many people who have insurance but high deductibles) and treatments. Basically, the US does not have as many effective options or tools available (as China do) to control the spread of the coronavirus. Which means, if COVID 19 was indeed a bio-weapon aimed at China, it will most certainly backfire on the US many times over.

Here is a way to definitively know if COVID-19 is an engineered bio-weapon: if a year or two from now, the US is struck by a viral epidemic or a series of viral epidemics, and the viruses specifically target White and/or Anglo people, that means China knows COVID-19 and all the recent epidemics were the works of the US government, and China is taking revenge and retaliation against Americans. That is how we will find out for sure that COVID-19 was engineered by America.

And, of course, given the lack of accessible and affordable healthcare in America, the US will most certainly lose to China in an all-out bio/viral-warfare.

@NR: Also wild fantasies of engineered viruses.

More and more, the Hard Left and the Hard Right look like fraternal twins to me.

If coronavirus was engineered then why is the kill rate only 2-3 percent, targeting mostly very elderly or respiratory infirmed? For most people the symptoms are like just another cold.

My Dr. Evil supervirus will target only young virile males with large penises. Some day I shall be having so many of the women to myself! Bwahahahahaha!

@K T Chong,

The America-diddit “theory” is a Chinese Communist regime Blood Libel meant to distract its Chinese subjects from the ChinaGov’s own initial persecution of alert doctors for trying to bring attention to a new disease in its earliest stages. ( If the ChinaGov really believed that, would they now be suppressing the bathing-in-fresh-mixed-blood filthy germy petri-dish live-animals-butchered-while-you-watch meat markets?

If the Great Han Nazi-Lebensraum ( see Tibet, Sinjiang, Inner Mongolia, etc.) Red Fascist Regime wishes to make and send a ” whites only” disease here, that only proves that they know how to do that. It would do nothing to lend any truth to their Blood Libel. And such a racial-specific disease would call attention to its being engineered for racial specificity. ( And of course since most American Blacks are 30% or so White ancestry, they might be vulnerable as well. Which would not concern the Nazi Communists one little bit).

The proper response to such a germ-warfare attack would be to find and exterminate every leader and cadre of the Chinese Communist Party . . . from top to bottom . . . . so that no Communist is left alive in that country. Since it would be the Communists specifically, not the Chinese in general, who would launch such a disease, just as it is the Communists who invented this Blood Libel to begin with.

I don’t care what the pro-jihadi antirussianite racist Clintobama Bidenite garbage filth scum-people think about my opinion, just as long as they understand that if they put their cannibal-liver-eating-jihadi-loving Wall Street Fascist warpig on their ticket again, that I will be voting for Trump again.

As long as they know THAT, they can think whatever they like about ME.

“We” — as in the US electorate — did not vote Trump and his bungling and corruption into office. More Americans voted for Hillary in 2016. More Americans voted for someone other than Trump or Hillary or did not vote at all in the 2016 presidential election than voted for Trump.

The US electoral system is so designed that those who do not receive a majority or plurality of popular votes can nevertheless be elected president, and that’s what happened in 2016. Unless the US electoral system is changed, it’ll happen again, too.

The problem is intrinsic. The voters make their choices, but usually what they can choose from is chosen for them. Ironically, it was worse in the past. This is part of why I say our elections have never been free and fair and they aren’t now.

The problem isn’t fixed, in fact it gets worse election by election, because it benefits certain powerful interests, and over time the outcome of elections skews ever more rightward no matter who the voters choose (again, they did not choose Trump.)

This afternoon I got a glimpse into how Delta Airlines is managing its way through the economic hardships ahead for airlines. They are being incredibly fair and flexible with their employees.

It was very encouraging to hear about it. I hope other companies handle the impact of these dislocations on their employees as well as Delta is doing.

Sophie Trudeau, wife of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, has tested positive for the coronavirus. Trudeau has gone into a voluntary two week quarantine, but has not yet taken a test because he currently is not exhibiting any symptoms.

The other problem with the US presidency is that once installed it is all but impossible for the people — or anyone — to get rid of a malfunctioning incumbent. Impeachment doesn’t work, and elections every four years is too long to wait when there is an unintended monster in office.

When commenters say we’re screwed no matter what, that’s pretty much right.

take care of yourself, Ian.

People speak of an Either / Or situation if the choice comes down to Trump or Biden. They need to keep in mind there is as yet no obligation to embrace Horrible Candidate R vs Horrible Candidate D. Or as in 2016, Moronic Monster R vs War Criminal D.

One of two Unqualified Candidates may be certain to “win”, but I don’t have to have my fingerprints on him or her.

I’m a slow learner – I ought to have noticed how much of a joke the 2016 Dem Primary campaign turned out to be. (and how could a person forget the naked force used by the Supreme Court in 2000? I did!) It has taken the 2020 manipulations by the Corporate Media, the Billionaires, and the DNC to finally make me realize modern “democracy” in the US is an ugly joke. This is no longer a “conspiracy theory”, but a stark fact.

I won’t be surprised to see some more examples of the shameless control of our so-called “free elections” this year. That’s because I don’t figure even the Power Elites will be willing to place their lives and fortunes in the hands of Joe Biden. Not unless they have access to some kind of technology like the old brain control implants studied and trialed by José Delgado many decades ago.

@Zachary Smith

(and how could a person forget the naked force used by the Supreme Court in 2000? I did!)

To this day, Liberals, if they can manage to think back as far as 2000, do so only to continue blaming Nader. Aside from the fact that objectively he had nothing to do with Gore losing, Liberals are completely forgetting how the Democrats simply allowed the SC to overrule democracy and appoint a president. A fucking wholesale disruption of the constitutional order, and all they could do is punch down to a guy with no power. Loathsome.

What they should have done was gotten people into the streets in protest. If ever there was a time for collective action and civil disobedience, that was it.

@Ivory Bill Woodpecker

Like I said, to you the ‘hard left’ would be the party of FDR.

I remember Joe Biden saying he has no empathy for millennials. Well, I have no empathy for boomers. Enjoy the mess you\’ve made.

@NR,

Thank you for your interest in my comment. I am always happy to hear from you. Please let me know if you have any other concerns.

@screwtheboomers,

okay, Junior.

Also, Biden was born in 1942. So . . . not a boomer.

“Apparently British elites are now so inbred and incompetent that they can no longer even manage the basics like “killing the commoners while staying alive ourselves.””

I’m seeing a lot of panic in these comments. Hillary would have been just as incompetent a leader as Trump. She has the persuasive technique and political skills of a turnip to go with a huge helping of narcissism and roughly 3/4 of the population knew it. But this gets to my larger point that addresses Ian’s quote above.

Not only are the British elites who are so inbred and incompetent, but elites (and the populace) nearly everywhere except for very few places where the elites and commoners actually intermingle.

My friends, this is what assortative mating gets you. Inbreds and incompetents. While we only look at inbreeding through phenotypes, genotypes such as “intelligence” when paired can result in some really inbred and incompetent people. Not that the kids are not “intelligent” in the book sense, but in that they have no clue how to function when reality is in front of their nose. And here we are.

@K T Chong,

I was recently looking at reddit and stumbled upon this posted video. It purports to be a video posted by a woman from the Wuhan area saying what she thinks. I can find no sound setting. Maybe I just missed it. So I do not know if what are purported to be subtitle translations of what she is saying really are. Maybe you have more internet skills than I have and you can find the sound and hear what she is really saying.

I re-offer this here because IF it is what it purports to be, THEN it would reflect some of the popular sentiment simmering and festering in China. And the ChinaGov Regime Lords would certainly want to try diverting it and grounding it out with their diversionary Blood Libel involving fake theories of ” engineered virus warfare.”

here is the link.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/fhoie4/wuhan_residents_courageous_message_to_the_world/

Gare du Midi

A nondescript express in from the South,
Crowds round the ticket barrier, a face
To welcome which the mayor has not contrived
Bugles or braid: something about the mouth
Distracts the stray look with alarm and pity.
Snow is falling, Clutching a little case,
He walks out briskly to infect a city
Whose terrible future may have just arrived.

-W.H. Auden

Biden is a “really brilliant candidate and great campaigner”?

I would “have to be willfully blind to not see that even a Biden administration would be infinitely more competent than our current leadership”??

Fever is a symptom.

Hey hackers, for the love of god I implore you to publicly expose the Stephen Miller/Israel Mossad connection. There’s a slew of communication that needs to be exposed to the light of day. Americans are going to needlessly die in droves because of Israel’s criminal influence in American politics and governance. Do you hear that China? Israel is behind and directly involved in blaming you for the virus. Stephen Miller is Mossad and he’s directing Trump to call this the Wuhan Virus and the Chinese Virus. It’s time for you to face facts and consider Israel your mortal enemy just as it’s time for Americans to do the same.

The Outbreak is changing the governing paradigm before our eyes, and yet there are lingering animosities due to past political, economic and social failings and their accumulated detritus.

1) Note the significant increase in government authoritarianism. We’re seeing the Orders come down from State governments all over the country prohibiting mass gatherings among many, many prohibitions and commands. This was all pre-gamed so most isn’t new, it just hasn’t been implemented as thoroughly and directly.

2) The presidency is jokifying itself into irrelevance, as the pronouncements from the White House are disbelieved, disputed, contradicted, and dismissed routinely. Trump is incapable of leadership, and consensus is growing that “even Pence” would be better under the circumstances.

3) Trump may well not finish his term due to his incompetence/incoherence — or because he’s a victim of the virus. Another coup attempt is likely underway. Expect another Alexander Haig to declare himself “in charge” by the end of the month.

4) Experts are predicting 1,000,000 dead or more in the USA by the time this Outbreak is controlled, 90% of which could have been prevented with appropriate and early detection, treatment and containment. It’s too late now, and the responsibility for failure lies in the laps of the federal authorities: White House, CDC, Congress, and their controlling interests — which have nothing to do with the People and their interests.

5) The political game has changed, perhaps (let’s hope) forever. We may not have an election in November (“postponed,” they’ll tell us). Nevertheless, many of the longed-for progressive elements (like universal health care) are likely to be implemented due to the obvious costs and consequences of not having them. Wall Street and the fossil fuel industry might have to suck it up and take their lumps this time.

6) When elections resume, they’re likely to be conducted on a very different basis, unrecognizable to some older observers.

We’re not going to be the same coming out of this.

Despite all the doom and gloom there are definite upsides to this pandemic. As you said, this is what a majority of older Boomers voted for, and they may actually begin to experience personal consequences for their choices. Bernie and his Medicare for All plan doesn’t look so bad anymore, does he?

Also, it looks like world leaders are red meat for this virus because they travel more than anyone else and meet with heads of state from all over the world. I won’t pretend to shed a tear for most of these leaders if they happen to succumb to the coronavirus. Maybe it will give their citizens and opening to vote a better person in office who can deal with this health crisis.

Finally, a downturn in the real estate market could be a great opportunity for Millennials and Gen Zers to buy affordable real estate for the first time in their adult lives. I have been looking for a new house since last year, but am now planning to wait this coronavirus out and hope that housing prices drop by the end of 2020. My recommendation to anyone who can afford it is to save and wait for the market to bottom out. I’m hoping to eventually buy my dream home for a good bargain at a low interest rate.

Unless you are a doctor or scientist, and I\’m pretty sure you\’re neither, you should refrain from throwing around terms like \”dementia\” haphazardly.

If you want to say that you think he\’s suffering from age-related mental decline based on the impressions you gained through watching his appearances on TV, that would be reasonable.

Just came from Market Basket (if you are a Yankee, you know what is what). No bread, water, soup, tp, soap, milk, canned veggies on the shelves. Lunacy. People with shopping carts full of soap and water and beer.

People have lost what’s left of their consumerist addled brains.

Trump, a notorious germaphobe, will wash his hands and keep his distance.

Someone is probably spiking Biden’s Metamucil right this moment.

@bruce wilder

“Trump, a notorious germaphobe, will wash his hands and keep his distance.”

I saw most of his declaration of National Emergency. He shook the hands of at least 3 persons in a row, then stopped.

Didn’t exactly inspire confidence in how seriously he takes this. Or, how NOT out to lunch he is.

Having said that, IMNSHO, the lack of emphasis on people getting their immune systems up to par, especially with dirt cheap vitamin D3 dosing, is just as incompetent as the roll out of testing kits.

I’ve read or heard that Trump’s own D3 level is only 20 ng/ml. Given his age, he’s almost asking to die on a respirator. Although he’s a notorious consumer of junk food, this particular aspect of his health could be corrected with supplementation. Where the hell is his own doctor, on this?

“help the poors”

You mean, “help the poor.”

How… interesting… from 2015:

https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787?WT.mc_id=TWT_NatureNews

Willy wrote: ‘When I was a kid, studying about how Lincoln, FDR and Kennedy did their part for the American people, I never imagined that the USA could ever sink so low.’

It’s a kleptocracy now. This is what we get. Intelligent persons with any moral compass will neither want to waste their lives with the DC/K Street scum nor be allowed anywhere near positions of power by our owners.

Be thankful that at least that incompetent sociopath Clinton hasn’t managed — so far — to reinsert herself into things.

Bruce W. wrote: ‘“poors” …goes directly to the argument that some large number of voters regards the poor as constituting a separate and alien class.’

Yep. The “olds” is another.

Willy- I’m betting on another stock crash and recession in the next 12 months. This is not going away in just a few weeks or months. The economy will see the effects of the coronavirus for years. Yes, for most people the virus will appear like a flu, but around 20% of carriers will need hospitalization. China, South Korea, and Italy didn’t lock down cities for a bad cold or flu. This thing kills a large enough number of people that it will over stress our hospitals and health care workers. Based on the government’s slow response to control the virus from the outset, there will need to be a rolling number of shutdowns until a vaccine is developed. Hot weather will not kill this thing, but if it slows it down, we have fall and winter to look forward to again in six months. I’m not sure if people becomes immune once they get the coronavirus, or if they will need to go through the same precautions all over again the following year. We don’t know enough about this virus to definitively say that this will be all over by the end of 2020, or if it doesn’t kill hundreds of thousands of people by the end of the year.

I take it anon isn’t Anon?

Half of the problem with pandemics is the panic that turns it into a panicdemic. That means a lot worse. And such these things are manna for those who can afford to take advantage of such things.

I suspect that if there is a presdential candidate debate, by that time the panicdemic will be the entire focus. How conveniently diversionary.

@ Ten Bears,

It warms the cockles of my heart to see the high elites making eachOTHER sick with the corona virus. There are quite a few of these Very Important Persons whose swift death from corona would leave the rest of us much better off.