By Mark From Ireland (Elevated from the comments)
(In response to my article on whether Syriza got owned, Mark writes):
Did Syriza get owned?
Yes and No. Syriza is a coalition between a variety of factions ranging from PASOK lookalikes to people with genuinely socialist principles. I’ll be interested to see how Alekos Flambouraris for example will react, will he help “sell” this within the Syriza coalition?
If the currently dominant faction (who have always wanted to work within the Euro framework and are very pro-EU) are to succeed in getting Syriza to accept this capitulation they’re going to have to override internal resistance. From whom? My guess would be that the resistance will centre around Panagiotis Lafazanis and the “Left Current/Left platform” grouping. The “Left Current/Left platform” are, I believe, fairly well organised and they do have a consistent critique not only the current state of affairs but also of capitalism per se. Lafazanis and his comrades can truthfully say that in attacking the capitulation to the troika that they are merely defending the platform upon which Syriza stood and that anybody who wants to vary or overturn that platform has to provide cogent and compelling reasons as to why. But the problem that Lafazanis and his comrades face is both one of policy and of internal organisational strenght. Principles are all very well but if you don’t control the party structure you’re going to lose every time. I said above that they’re “fairly well organised” but are they as well organised as Tsipras and his supporters?
Tsipras’ opponents to the left face a very real problem and one which reminds me in a way of the problem faced by the British Labour left when confronted with Tony Blair. Like Blair Tsipras has a substantial personal mandate and like Blair he’s got a record of going over the heads of his critics to party congress (he’s already successfully done this over candidate lists) and also like Blair he’s got a record of successfully campaigning alone – of very pointedly not campaigning alongside the left-wingers. Just like Blair he can say that Syriza’s victory is a personal victory brought about by him. (He’s also tried Blair’s strategy of giving difficult posts to left-wingers* how that will work out is something that will tell us a lot. Blair successfully marginalised his internal opposition using it whether Tsipras can do the same I just don’t know as the Blair/Tsipras analogy can only go so far).
So the question in a way isn’t so much one of whether or not Syriza got owned as one of whether Syriza is a coherent and viable movement without Tsipras and his followers. I have my doubts.
I hope that Greece manages to resist but I doubt they’ll resist if Tsipras remains at the helm as he never wanted to resist in the first place.
*What for purposes of shorthand I’ll call the Bennite and Militant tendencies
rote
It’s worth noting that the Left Platform (or maybe just the Left Current, one of the two main wings within it) refused any cabinet positions, specifically to avoid getting put in a position of having to go against their principles.
I’m not clear on how the party works, but we can expect Left Platform come out strongly against the deal, which will probably draw many towards them. If Syriza’s democratically controlled (which it seems like it isn’t as well as it should), it could very well end up with revolutionary socialists in power. That would be interesting.
Greg T
MFI-
I wanted to post a comment earlier, but I never got around to it. Since Ian elevated this to a post, I’ll comment.
Your analysis gave me the chills. Literally. It’s my greatest fear in this whole situation. The Left Platform is apopleptic over this deal. Only if they can exert sufficient pressure and convince straddlers that the current Euro system incompatible with Greek prosperity will Syriza exit the Euro. If this pressure is released, Tsipras will manage to convince most of his party this was the best deal that could be gotten. In other words, he will administer anaesthesia to the population rather than cure the disease.
In that case, Russ will have been spot on accurate in his assessment.
David
Robert Peston has also made a comparison of Tsipras with
Blair:
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31602579
markfromireland
@ David February 26, 2015
David good find many thanks for that link I’ve bolded the part of the aricle that made me say “uh oh” –
Or to put it another way Tsipras is doing exactly what Blair did and continuing the Thatcherite policies of his predecessors. Hence the “New Syriza”/New Labour reference. The problem with the analogy is of course that Thatcher, Major, and Blair had a lot of money to play with, specifically they had the (once off) North Sea oil revenue stream which they squandered on funding unemployment and even then there was, particularly under Thatcher, a fair bit of social unrest.
I rather suspect that Tsipras and Varoufakis are doing rather more and rather worse than merely “alienating friends and supporters” and that they are not buying economic and financial stability I suspect that what they’ve bought is financial, economic, political, and social unstability with all the futile human suffering that that entails and that they’ve bought it on a massive scale.
mfi
markfromireland
@ rote February 25, 2015
I’m completely open to correction on this as I’m very far from having detailed knowledge of Syriza’s internal structures and balances but my understanding is that Left Platform members have taken up ministerial posts.
mfi
markfromireland
@ Greg T February 25, 2015
Greg, I’m not so sure that Left Platform as opposed to Left Current are apopleptic. In which case I find it hard to see how Left Current can raise enough Cain to even soften the blows about to fall let alone deflect them.
mfi
markfromireland
By way of update and confirmation I’ve unabashedly copied and pasted from The Guardian’s rolling update. I find the report quoting the Greek Central Bank’s Governor about “next phases” and “growth potential” particularly ominous:
20m ago 13:08
and
2h ago 11:33
And if you don’t know about it already the NewsNow service is worth bookmarking:
NewsNow >Link to NewsNow Home
and
World News → Europe → Western → Greece
mfi
markfromireland
And Finally from the Financial Times:
Source: A closer look at Greece’s proposed reforms – FT.com
Mandos
I question this need to match Tsipras to an existing “Figure of Betrayal” like Blair or Obama. Most of what MFI has been citing on this thread has been, yes, the one-sided agreement forced on Greece by its creditors. Syriza could call a new election, I suppose, and let some other formation come to power to implement it, or perhaps Greeks will decide to vote for a Grexit-supporting party. (The former I consider more likely than the latter, by a big margin.) It would make no sense, because so far most Greeks expected this kind of compromise and are supporting the outcome.
Of course, it is mostly bad policy. If it causes more human suffering to the point where a majority of Greeks are not willing to bear it, then we will see the public finally support leaving the Eurozone.
But if y’all are going to try and fit Tsipras into the Obamist or Blairite mold, I suspect the analogies are weak. Greece is not the UK or the USA. Its previous leaders signed away monetary sovereignty under false pretenses, and it does not have the industrial output of either of those countries, in addition being much smaller. The politics are as different as they could be for Western representative democracies.
So if you must have a Figure of Betrayal, why not make Tsipras himself one? The next time we see a Greek Situation emerge, we can readily have a way to label the leader of the next Syriza (maybe Podemos?), as the new Tsipras.
Stirling Newberry
http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2015/02/25/greece_needs_to_clamp_down_on_white_collar_tax_evaders_not_just_the_super.html?wpsrc=fol_tw
Mandos
Sorry, more German, and that too, from the right-wing German press (Die Welt is considered considerably to the right of the center of the spectrum in German media):
http://www.welt.de/debatte/kommentare/article137792997/Die-griechische-Reformshow-wird-kein-Problem-loesen.html
The author is convinced that the reforms Syriza promised to the Eurogroup will never actually show up except cosmetically (and therefore the Greeks are going to continue to steal Oma’s money), and the Syriza is simply the reincarnation of PASOK in giving “Wahlgeschenke” (electoral gifts) to Greek voters who don’t realize that they are actually lazy bums who deserve everything they’re getting under austerity.
Xco
on Mandos’s part to elaborately psychoanalyze his opponents’ use of simple inductive reasoning.
Mandos
Psychoanalyze? Possibly apropos:
http://www.bouldertherapist.com/html/humor/MentalHealthHumor/rorschach.html
Xco
Definitely apropos:
http://i.giphy.com/Ou18ZgE49Fss0.gif
Mandos
Like I thought. Conditioned to see failure in absolutely everything.
Xco
Hi Lucy.
Lisa
Hmmm. ‘Maybe’ to most comments.
If I put myself in the Greek Govt’s position some things are clear. When they were elected they had only a few weeks money available and the EU and Germany seemed quite happy for the country to basically shut down totally.
So how I would play it is:
(1) Get a short term/interim agreement to get some cash, lying through my teeth to achieve that.
(2) Use that time to (quietly) set up the necessary things to leave the Euro.
(3) If they are really smart then make sure their security is beefed up and, if necessary, do a purge from the military (etc) to head off a likely coup.
I gave it (and still do) a 75% chance of one happening, the EU would love a nice military right wing Govt in power and has shown zero reluctance to kill/dismember/neutralise democracy.
Everyone forgets that the EU was just as much into overthrowing the Ukrainian Govt as the US was, just they wanted different people in charge and their actions in Greece and Italy by over ruling the elected Govt’s are telling.
Now whether or not that is Greek Govt’s strategy I really don’t know, but it seems a logical play for me. They need time to put in place the necessary elements for any alternative future approach, which basically is leave the Euro (and head off a near certain coup attempt).
This is all being driven by the EU bureaucrats who are neo-liberal/neo-con to the core now, plus Germany* which is pretty much the same with a good dose of racism as well (and using it to try to head off internal dissent about the collapse in living standards there).
*Is there anyone actually naive enough to believe that Merkal and Hollande would have gone to all the trouble of getting a ceasefire if Kiev had been winning? Nope, of course not. Their motivation was to save Kiev and as much of its forces as they could (and in that were a tiny bit smarter than the US, which displaying its usual incompetence at anything military, wants Kiev to keep fighting on until they are conscripting 5 year olds).
If Kiev had won and their troops and the nazi militias were running loose and ethnically cleansing all over the place, Merkal would have cheered them on and Speigal would have headlines about how successful at ‘anti-terrorism’ and ‘freedom and democracy building’ Kiev was (and having secret wet dreams about Ukraine then driving onto Moscow).
Synoia
” if Tsipras remains at the helm as he never wanted to resist in the first place.”
Got link?
Tsipras may be the Greek Blair – its too early to judge.
It is a mistake was negotiating a closed deal with Northern Europeans. It might work in cultures which barter and negotiate, sometime endlessly. That’s not how Northern Europeans behave.
A deal is a deal – Beendet und Claosed.
Lisa
And just to show there is some good news in the world..occasionaly, just got my legal change of name and sex document through….
V. Arnold
@ Lisa
Congrats on your “official” new life.
Jessica
Lisa,
Congratulations. Enjoy.
markfromireland
@ Lisa February 27, 2015
Allow me to add my congratulations to those already expressed.
mfi
Mandos
OK, here’s another Kouvelakis article which I think is much better because it most clearly states the issue under dispute (without calling people traitors or objectively pro-austerity or something like that, although it does call them “sophists” but whatever):
http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/1886-a-reply-to-the-sophists-by-stathis-kouvelakis
I disagree with the underlying thinking and way of evaluating the world that is in Kouvelakis’ argument and his interpretation of the things he calls sophistry, but this is an empirical prediction that we have now the ability to test in this environment. I personally think, as I said before, that regardless of whether Syriza “succeeds” or “fails”, it has pushed history forward a little bit and forced Europe to stare some of its own contradictions in the face, if only for a moment.