If Trump Is a Nazi

Nazi? No. I think that’s a real misreading of the way this is going.

Nazis were a reaction to the defeat of Germany in WWI and the unfair treatment of Germany and the German people by the Allies. The catastrophe of the Great Depression and the complete failure of the ruling Socialists to deal with the multiplicity of afflictions forced on Germany by the Allies and the economic conditions of the time enabled Nazis to take power and rule. And they were enthusiastically welcomed. Until the catastrophe of WWII, they were beloved by most Germans, Austrians, Czechs, etc.

Nothing like that has happened to or in the United States — yet.

What I’ve been seeing in the Trump campaign and during the few days of the transition so far is an intent to restore White Supremacy as it was in Trump’s youth, his father’s day and prior to that in American history.

Most white supremacists don’t consider themselves racist; all they’re doing is following Natural Law, the law that says white people, Anglo-Saxons, Nordics, etc. in particular, are inherently Superior and meant by Divine Will to rule over their inferiors. The inferiority of others — brown and black people, differently abled people, queers, trans and anyone else who doesn’t conform to the standards of white supremacy — is a proven case, without question in the view of most white supremacists, and this is the United States has operated for most of its history. All Trump and his loyalists want to do is return to those Glorious Days of Yesteryear. “Make America Great Again!” A greatness founded on White Supremacy.

The catalyst for it was the election of a Negro to the Presidency — twice. Many may have seen it as a redemptive act, redemption for America’s twin Original Sins of black chattel slavery and Native American genocide, but many other Americans saw it as simply and completely wrong. I believe Trump was one of them. Americans can’t have a Negro in the highest office of the land. It’s inconceivable.

Restoring White Supremacy is not the same as a Nazi takeover such as what happened in Ukraine. White Supremacy is, however, resurgent throughout Europe and the British Isles. And it’s coming back with a vengeance — and so far limited violence — in the US.

If Trump and his loyalists are allowed to consolidate their rule, White Supremacy will be the American standard for generations, much as the twin false ideologies of neoliberalism and neoconservatism have been.

The absence of empathy for the victims of White Supremacy and the blaming and scapegoating of Designated Others — be they Clintons or Democrats or liberals or people who hurt the feelings of white folks — is typical of a White Supremacist world view. The victims always deserve their punishment. Always.

Indeed. When the Italian Fascists were mad at you, some thugs came around and beat you up and forced you to drink large quantities of castor oil. Sometimes people died. When the Nazis were mad at you they killed all the males in your village before shipping the women and children off to camps and obliterating the village. Watch the Czech produced film “Anthropoid” about the assassination of Heydrich. That’s what happened to the villages were the assassins came from. People throw about invective loosely and as Ian says, how will you warn people when the genuine article comes around?

Would the Deep State, the business class and the Congressional Republicans allow Trump to really go that far, assuming he even wants to?

My own sense is that Trump and the Republicans are going to try to expand the “Southernization” of the United States. This means:

1. A continued campaign to destroy organized labor,

2. The reduction of the workforce to helot status by eliminating workplace protections and making jobs more precarious ,

3. Continued privatization of public services and programs to benefit well-connected companies,

4. Restriction of voting rights for the poor via voter ID laws and other acts of voter suppression.

5. Immigration reform to take the form of indentured servitude-style guest worker programs.

W

He’s an authoritarian which puts him fair and square amongst the overwhelming majority of his fellow Americans. What he isn’t is a conformist which puts him in a tiny minority of his fellow Americans.

@peonista

Point taken. I actually have consciously avoided the “woman factor” for two reasons: far too many women voted for Trump and many Democrats and Independents shared Trump’s antipathy to Clinton specifically, though the reasons were sometimes different.

An example of a woman who voted for Trump is my cousin in California. She’s very well off if not rich, and she takes her comfort and well-being for granted. She hasn’t suffered in the least under Democratic or Republican administrations. She and her husband have prospered significantly since they moved to their tight-white little gated community in the Sierra Foothills almost 40 years ago. She was a long time Democrat, switched to decline-to-state during the Clinton administration, and became a Republican soon after Obama was elected. You can see the thread here.

She was so excited to be able to vote for Trump in the Republican primary and “stick it” to the “sell-out Republican establishment”. It was a tremendous relief. Then came the general election and she was practically salivating to vote for Trump to “stick it to that hateful hag.”

Why? What was she so angry about? Well, a lot of things. Her husband’s business (he’s a contractor) was facing all kinds of “idiotic” regulations, and their income taxes were audited, and they had to come up with a payment of over $40,000 for taxes, penalties and interest. She blamed this directly on Obama. One of her kids who didn’t have health insurance through his work was paying through the nose for Obamacare. She blamed it on Obama and “those shitty Democrats.” She herself, and her husband, were on Medicare of course, with a private sector supplement, so they pay very little for health care — even though her husband has prostate cancer and has had a stroke and has needed several surgeries. As for Hillary, my cousin would go ballistic with hatred and contempt. Trump was the answer to her anger issues. And that seems to be the case with more than a few women who voted for him.

And then there’s the white supremacy thing. She’s never not lived in almost exclusively white communities (she grew up in the ’50s in San Mateo, in what was then a restricted community) moved to her current home in the foothills in 1979. There are no non-whites in her area, and very few anywhere in Calaveras County (91% white. The Sierra Foothill counties of California are some of the whitest counties in the country.) She wouldn’t consider herself a racist, no, no, no, no, no! She loves all people! Except for the thugs and gangbangers and criminals and terrorists. You know… that sort of thing. She’s always polite to and regarding Ms Ché who is quite brown (Native American). It wouldn’t occur to her that she is a white supremacist, very nearly a white nationalist. And I for one would rather not burst her bubble. She’s my age, and we’re not going to be around all that much longer, are we?

As for whether she subscribes to male dominance, it’s hard to say. Except for taking him to the doctors, she pretty much ignores her husband, and she takes every opportunity to go on adventures with her girlfriends.

Just one example, but there are plenty more like her.

markfromireland “He’s an authoritarian which puts him fair and square amongst the overwhelming majority of his fellow Americans.”

Not really, studies show that about 25%-30% of Americans are Right Wing Authoritarians (RWAs) which is the technical term for such people. Predominantly religious (which tends to be both a cause and symptom). Disproportionally white (though there are RWAs in all genders, races and classes) possibly explained by their higher levels of religiosity.

Religiosity of the extreme types, Catholicism, evangelical christianity, wahabbi sunni (etc) tends to generate it in far greater numbers for rather obvious reasons.

I’ll add, something much of the research rarely comes to terms with, a third component homosocial beliefs (there is a tight nexus with some religious beliefs here) , which in men is often labelled as ‘toxic masculinity’, however women are just as prone to it with their version of ‘toxic femininity’ and their support, heck even self destructive encouragement, of that male version.

The number of RWAs in any given group tend to rise when their group comes under perceived (it doesn’t have to be actual and very often isn’t ) threat or pressure, it is a sort of ‘default’ setting for many people when they are stressed.

They are equal opportunity haters, in that they hate everyone not like themselves and wish for totalitarian actions be taken against them (by the Govt and groups).

Very easily manipulated, led and lied too. Basically they will follow anyone that lets them express their hostility (always close to the surface) and have long been cannon fodder and useful idiots by many people and elites throughout time.

See this for possibly some of the best research on them:
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

@Lisa

That actually sounds pretty close to her way. She grew up Catholic (but public school educated) and left the Church as so many of us do, drifted between no religion and some sort of New Age stuff, then became an Evangelical. I don’t get into it with her. She’s very judgmental about other women and is in the process of “cutting off” her liberal friends who don’t accept Trump as president.

Me thinks this blog is become unhinged.
One thread there is an offer of solice; and the next a treatice on the Nazi Trump.
Later will be greater…

Oops; solace and treatise.

Chill?
That’s not my nature; but I’m a hell of a lot more chilled than that pack of grown up babies in the U.S..
They created that fucked up mess called the U.S.; so, let them live with their own creation…

The reason I mention these is because they matter, they are at the core of many people’s unconsciously accepted beliefs. Most people don’t realise that in the greater historical terms how artificial our societies actually are and how many alternative models there have been.

I have always been as interested in the ‘why’ and well as the ‘what’. And when you look into it in more detail you see just how contrived our attitudes to class, gender, sex and race really are.

We are a species that bonked, or were bonked by, neanderthals for pete’s sake… There is nothing ”natural’ about our beliefs one little bit.

One thing that’s become fashionable to say lately at Naked Capitalism: “Personnel is policy”. Appointing a white supremacist (WS) at a position of power is an important action not mere speech.

Trump is probably not a Nazi. He might not even be a WS. None of this matters. The real question is: will he appoint other WS at the levers of power? Will Bannon appoint other like-minded WS at important positions? Will those new appointees appoint other WS like themselves? If WS are disciplined and can play the long game, the future could be theirs.

It matters a lot to have your own people at the levers of power. That’s how Trump stole the election. The electoral college system is not robust. It can be gamed by just gaming a handful of states. Trump won by winning a few states with razor thin margins. He won those states because the GOP governors helped him purge black, brown and yellow voters. This was has been documented by Greg Palast:

http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

Trump probably thinks he used the WS to get the presidency. WS probably think they used Trump to get a foothold on the levers of power.

In the end it matters not whether Pandora was a Nazi or not. The only thing that matters is that she opened the box.

@Steve

It really doesn’t matter that individual demonstrators are not directly paid or professional demonstrators. The activists, organizers and NGO’s are funded and directed to a great extent by political forces such as Soros and the people who follow this lead are destroying any claim to their being grassroots movements. We have already seen how this operates with the Correct the Record trolls popping up here and elsewhere on blogs to try to push their message.

These recent demonstrations initially seemed spontaneous but their message and even chants were too uniform and universal to not be somewhat centrally organized. The problem isn’t just that many of these people are useful idiots but that they are true believers willing to follow and believe in whatever they are being fed by these political forces. These beliefs range from the dangerous, calling for intervention to stop the constitutional transfer of power, to the ludicrous, impeach Trump. These are not rational or reasonable demands but they do resemble tactics used in Color Revolutions.

@ Steve
November 15, 2016

I barely know where to start; Russia is anti-feminist? Balderdash!
And Russia can’t hold a candle to the U.S. for xenophobia. You’re out of your depth trying to expound on Russia; learn some Russian history before spouting that crap.

@markfromireland,

The first step towards changing a thing is knowing that thing exists . . . maybe.

Step one might be getting people to understand: The bed you make for prisoners is the bed you lie in when you go to prison.

If that can be gotten across then Step two is getting people to believe that in a Legalistic Authority society, anyone can go to prison for any artfully designed reason.

Perhaps a dim understanding of those two things might be behind the state-by-state spread of the re-legalize marijuana movement.

And the supergrowth of the supersized prison system was fast-forwarded by President Clinton with heartfelt support from his wife. No Eleanor Roosevelt she! One more reason among so many others to hate the vile scum filth which calls itself “the Clintons”.

Lisa:

“Not really, studies show that about 25%-30% of Americans are Right Wing Authoritarians (RWAs) which is the technical term for such people. ”

“The” technical term, you say? Quite RWAF of you, no?

See, I just outdid you in authoritarian parroting of what some academic moron wrote – Altemeyer’s technical term is “right wing authoritarian follower”, RWAF.

The value of his study can be shown by the fact that Altemeyer himself was an inveterate Obama cultist who, when I asked him about his own RWAF support for Obama and the Wall Street bailout, replied that “all the economists say we need to do this, so I believe them.” (Not a verbatim quote, but an accurate paraphrase. I can link my 2009 blog post about it if anyone likes.)

He also insisted that by definition it wasn’t possible to be an RWAF as long as one was supporting Obama. IOW Altemeyer’s an authoritarian moron himself.

So there’s the idiotic biases one needs to take into account when assessing his studies. He obviously applies these biases to everything he does.

Altemeyer made it very clear that ‘right wing’ though it applied mostly in the US to right wing political followers ..also applied to authoritarian ‘left wing’ people as well, such as in the USSR. and some left wing organisations (such as Deep Green Resistance).

It is a psychological mind set. Typically (but by no means exclusively) in western countries the authoritarian organisations that follow, pander or manipulate people like this are religious and/or conservative politically.

it is the ‘appeal to authority’ combined with fear and hatred of ‘the other’ (whatever they are).

In his book he uses RWA throughout as a shorthand term.

Yes he also deals with those who (usually cynically) manipulate them, the ‘Social Dominators’ who find them very useful because they are so credulous when you push their buttons ..witness the pastor who just today blamed the New Zealand earthquake on gays…

How did you score on the tests by the way?

The problem is that you don’t actually know who is going to be a Nazi until the situation snowballs. So all pre-emptive anti-Nazi action can be taken as crying wolf. Trump is appointing one of the USAs worst Islamophobes to be his security advisor, someone who sees the “grayzone” the way that ISIS sees it. That is an early sign that his foreign policy is not likely to be less “killy” than “Killery”, but you never know how things might unfold behind closed doors. That cuts both ways.

Mandos Anyone (except a very very tiny minority) can be a ‘nazi’ as the famous Milgram experiments showed.

Two things I learned along the way in life that changed me, the Holocaust (which was far, far worse than the the now standard ‘6 million Jews’ were murdered meme) and Milgram.

The amount of people that will stand up, be counted, that will fight for ‘the other’ is so close to zero it is not funny.

I, not to blow by horn too much but it is true, have been in Melbourne in the busiest train station at peak hour when a young girl was being attacked ( by another women no less) running screaming.. I stood up, put her behind me, and faced the attacker down ( I have done the same in other places too against other attackers usually male) …thousands of people no f**ing other one one did that.

People are cowards.

Lisa:

I don’t doubt if I took Altemeyer’s tests I’d score as a “left wing authoritarian leader” type by temperament. According to his definitions being “left wing” just means one opposes the status quo, no matter what it is, as some kind of malcontent. In other words, his metric is part of the standard bourgeois psychiatric “diagnosis” of moral opposition to organized crime.

As you know if you read him, Altemeyer assumes without even bothering to argue the point that e.g. Marxism is evil, and that any decent person would be slandered by being associated with it.

I noted your comment because you insensibly parroted Altemeyer’s definitions and theories as gospel, when in fact much of it is highly tendentious, and he personally is an idiot. But in spite of being unable to diagnose it in himself, he’s right that conformist authoritarianism is always stupid. Which is why I bother to comment against it in this case. I guess the irony of the case appeals to me.

Anyone who believes Donald Trump is a Nazi should be making their plans to leave the United States, and begin acting on them without delay. Emigrating and renouncing US citizenship already takes time as well as money. Escape will soon become harder, then impossible. So I’m sure you understand you don’t have a moment to waste. That advice applies if you’re a citizen or legal resident of the US. If you are an illegal alien who thinks Trump is Hitler, you should already have your head down and be running already. Oh my God, run for your life, the Great Orange Hitler is right behind you!

I take it then that anyone who really thinks Donald Trump is a Nazi is not proclaiming this belief from inside the United States. For if you really believed he was a Nazi, and you actually knew what a Nazi is, you would have enough sense to know that identifying yourself as a party enemy was tantamount to your suicide. They will not bother arresting you under formal charges – law courts will have enough to deal with. On the internet no one is anonymous, Nazis make enemies lists early on, using the best technology available to them as they go (eg, IBM punch cards in the 1940s; the NSA’s Bluffdale archives in this century) and they start crossing off names as soon as their rise to power allows them to get around to you.

Come to think of it, with the handover of the US global surveillance net and drone assassination squadrons, there isn’t anyplace on Earth whence you could safely inveigh against der Orange Adolf – excepting maybe Russia or China, where of course universal human rights and civil liberties are upheld by the government and the underlying, indigenous political/cultural traditions as a sacred trust.

I’m sure everyone concerned will be too busy now packing their bug-out bags and booking their transit on the underground railroad to reply to me, so I’ll just end with “Farewell!” I wish you all the best of luck in your travels. Don’t write home – that would only give your position away to the drone squads and would implicate any of your loved ones left behind.

In tinfoil hat territory but maybe Trump is actually an Obamaist palace coup against the Clintons, LOL.

In addition to the evidence that the election was again stolen by Trump as noted by DC and myself there is the little contributing fact that one of the largest Democratic Party websites – democraticunderground.com – was hacked on election night by Trump goons and the site is still not up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com

The hack occurred early evening right when results were starting to come in.

Gee, too bad the 100,000s of dedicated Democrats were deprived of a vehicle whereby to document and act upon electoral chicanery, huh?

Probably due to Hillary or something and not the theft of another election by US fascists and Trump.

Nope.

Ok, mods, ready for my deletion.

rc:

As a lawyer and as someone frequently trumpeting “the rule of law” you show a remarkable lack of understanding of the purpose of following precedent.

Despite this abject lack of understanding you are correct in noting that very few lawyers (not to mention Americans generally) have the tools to challenge bad authority or even, for that matter, to recognize it. Consequently we more and more see judgments made up out of whole cloth but consistent with ideology and not law.

Just to clarify, since hvd has shown me that some can misunderstand better than others (as in, perhaps, the difference between a law school textbook presentation and a comment on a blog thread lol), I only used the legal arena as an EXAMPLE, in hopes that the reader would then automatically be taken by his/her own thoughts to consider how ubiquitous is the authority-referring dynamic above-described. (Even, occasionally, OMG!, on blog threads.) 🙂

Russ: “As you know if you read him, Altemeyer assumes without even bothering to argue the point that e.g. Marxism is evil,”

In his book Marx is only mentioned 3 times.

Page 10 “You could have left-wing authoritarian followers as well, who support a
revolutionary leader who wants to overthrow the establishment. I knew a few in the
1970s, Marxist university students who constantly spouted their chosen authorities,
Lenin or Trotsky or Chairman Mao. ”
“I’m sure one can find
left-wing authoritarians here and there, but they hardly exist in sufficient numbers
now to threaten democracy in North America. However I have found bucketfuls of
right-wing authoritarians in nearly every sample I have drawn in Canada and the
United States for the past three decades. So when I speak of “authoritarian followers”
in this book I mean right-wing authoritarian followers, as identified by the RWA
scale.”

Page 50: “I’m not saying that the United States was the bad guy in the Cold War and the
Soviet Union was the good guy. The people of Russia and other Communistcontrolled
European countries made it clear how evil they thought the Marxist-
Leninist-Stalinist dictatorships were. But in the context of this study, I think you can
point out instances in which both sides invaded neighbors to control their international
allegiance, lied to their own people and to the world, made disarmament proposals for
public relations purposes on the world stage, and so on. And when their government
did such things, the authoritarian followers in both countries tended to believe and
support them more than others did. ”

Page 68: “The drop [in Authoritarian scores] does not come from reading Marx in
Political Science or from the philosophy prof who wears his atheism as a badge. These
attempts at influence can be easily dismissed by the well-inoculated high RWA
student. It probably comes more from the late night bull-sessions, where you have to
defend your ideas, not just silently reject the prof’s”

Not exactly matching what you claimed… As for “and he personally is an idiot” that’s for you to prove isn’t it. “I’d score as a “left wing authoritarian leader” type by temperament”, well you said it.

@ hvd

I was hoping for more careful readers.

@ V Arnold

No need to lash out.

Yes, the explicit ideology controlling Russia is anti-feminist and xenophobic. This explicit ideology is only tangentially related to what happens on the ground. Indeed, women are professionally more successful in Russia than in the USA. And Central Asian immigrants are among Putin’s biggest supporters. You can see this same sort of disconnect in Trump when he attacks a federal judge of Mexican heritage, and (I think sincerely) celebrates Blacks, Latinos, Gays or whatever minority group. Le Pen in France does the same thing.

Things in Russia that are better than in the USA:

Russia has mainstream news media that cater to a more intelligent audience than in the USA
Gender relations in Russia are warmer than in the USA
Russia is less segregated than the USA. Outside of a tiny elite, the rich and the poor live in proximity to each other in Russia. That is simply not the case in the USA.
Russians are capable of self-organizing in groups, and Americans are comparatively incapable.

Replies to various people who weren’t talking to me:

@RonShowalter — Quite possibly the election was hacked. Let me please LOL at Hillary partisans who complain about cheating and disenfranchisement now, since they’ve proven they are a-ok with it when it benefits their candidate.

But if you are concerned about election fraud and not just opposed to who won, please join with those of us who wish to go back to an actually verifiable system of vote-counting. From what I’ve read from people who know more about this than me, unless someone is really stupid about how they go about messing with the votes, tho, this will be nearly impossible to prove. That’s why we should go back to hand marked, handcounted paper ballots with observers at every step from collection to final count.

I don’t care how much I might disagree with you on other things, I’m quite willing to be allies on this one.

@SBrennan–(okay, you actually did mention me)–I too thought the “don’t cry wolf unless there’s actually a wolf” bit was the main point of the post, with the rest of it supposed to point to that (i.e. no likelihood Trump is going to be like any of the listed examples). (of all the people trying to make the case, Ted Rall has done it best, but I am unconvinced he will be much worse than what we’ve been getting for a long time).

But for everyone who is extremely worried, I think this post suggests a more useful suggestion than wearing safety pins and posting you tube videos calling for an ambulance:
http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/11/14/a-handy-guide-for-liberals-who-are-suddenly-interested-in-gun-ownership/
If you need trigger warnings for a post on guns, this guy is funny as hell but he’s pretty conservative and most of you will find some of it offensive. I disagree w/most of his politics but his personality is more likeable than the no-platforming thought police glitter bomb crowd on our side of the aisle (disclaimer: to quote Treebeard, “I’m not entirely on anyone’s side because no one is entirely on my side”).

@realitychecker: I would submit for consideration that we as a society have all become much too willing to use appeals to a supposed “authority” in lieu of critical reasoning on our own parts. This is more widespread than most realize, IMO. Gods yes.

@Lisa –we disagree about many things, but with you on this:
Anyone (except a very very tiny minority) can be a ‘nazi’ as the famous Milgram experiments showed.

Sadly, most people really don’t realize how easy to manipulate they are, and they convince themselves they agree w/the will of the majority (or majority of impactful voices) because they don’t want to be left out. It’s prolly more us being herd animals than being cowards, but there’s plenty of cowardice too.

The amount of people that will stand up, be counted, that will fight for ‘the other’ is so close to zero it is not funny.

I hate and love my fellow humans at the same time, and I can’t argue that we’ve been a net positive for the universe as a species thus far, and I’m not particularly optimistic about the future, but it is a little better than almost zero on this. I think.

@Hugh–we have until 2030 to get our act together as a society, put it on a sustainable basis, and have programs up and running dealing with the existential problems of overpopulation, climate change, resource exhaustion, species and habitat loss, and all the political and economic instability and violence these will cause worldwide. don’t know about exact dates–for all I know the dates are already past–but yup. This needs massive mobilization now. (I will disagree w/you about whether any politician that might run soon will handle this, but Trump shows no signs and neither did HRC or O, despite their occasional rhetoric)

@mandos Bolton is not a neocon. He is a nationalist who allied with neocons on Iraq. This is more proof that you know squat about politics. You’re such a joke.

@ adrena

Guess you took me to the woodshed! Good. I hope I’ll be able to do a bit better on the issue. But it’s good that women are more than capable of speaking up for themselves. You should hear what goes on in this house when Ms Ché lets loose.

But it’s not only in the privacy of our own home. She’s close to and involved with a lot of Native American women and their male and female allies and they are self-organizing for mutual aid and protection on the one hand, and persistent push back against what is on the political and social agenda to put women back in “their place” on the other. We’ve seen, time and again, when women say “No! We’re not going backwards,” they often win the struggle.

True fact: A white guy I met at a gym told me that Abe Lincoln would regret the Civil War, if he could see what black people have manifested, nowadays.

Another true fact: The largest neo-Nazi group in the US has 400 members – doubtless all of them white. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#United_States)

That is only 0.0001239 % of the estimated US population of 322,762,018 people, but hey! Now that ‘Trumpenfuhrer’ (as a cousin of mine seems compelled to call him) is in office, the sky’s the limit for their recruitment. They may have a problem with Trump’s Jewish in-laws, plus his own children that converted to Judaism, but that’s why they are doubtless recruiting a modern-day Josef Goebbels, even as we speak!

Clearly, Trump was propelled into office via the combined strength of the neo-Nazis, that guy in the gym, plus 10’s of millions of other crypto-white-supremacists, who are not counter-demonstrating against the “Not my President” crew (much less beating the stuffing out of them) because they’ve been given the secret order to lay low, until Trumpenfuhrer is sworn into office, with a whole set of high quality Cross pens tucked away in his pocket. (Might as well sign those Nazi-like executive orders and Enabling Acts in style!)

Clearly.

I hear that, once Trump corrals all the black untermensch back into inner-city ghettoes, he’s eventually going to ban cotton picking machinery, and force all black into slave labor camps in the countryside, to pick cotton by hand. Some will also pick tomatoes, so that Trump can expel the Mexican farm hands (if not just kill them), and the price of tomatoes (for white folks) will not even increase!

There’s even rumors that Trump want to build ovens and Zyklon-B showers, to free us from the excess of blacks who aren’t needed to pick cotton or tomatoes.

Oh, and don’t be fooled by his seemingly sympathetic comments towards Russia and Putin. That’s only to put the Ruskis off their guard. Ya know, a Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact redux.

As soon as the US has rearmed itself fully, Trumpenfuhrer will unleash a hail of modern day, NUCLEARIZED V-2 rockets against the Soviet Union. Excuse me, I mean against the Russian Federation.

Even Hillary will stand up and cheer!

metamars: As with anything it is more complex on that. You really have a large group within society that have a mix of ‘right wing’ ideas, with lots of overlap. Then you have, within and outside them, the group (about 25% of the population) that have the psychological mindset of being ‘authoritarian’ who would support what they perceive as an ‘authoritarian’ leader in pretty much whatever they do.

It varies from country to country and culture to culture who they are and who they belong too.

Then there are the leaders of such organisations who may (or may not be) far more extreme that their membership. The classic example is the Catholic church, while many actual Catholics are moderate or left wing (especially on social issues) the leadership is hard core against contraception, abortion, pro the elimination of LGBTI people and so on and have sacrificed tens of millions to that belief (due to their opposition to condoms as a protection from AIDs) and if they had totally got their way it would have been hundreds of millions.

Tactical and strategic alliances happen between them, for example said Catholic leaders align and work with extreme evangelical ‘christians’ and other extreme right wing politicians on such areas. There is naturally quid pro quo on that, the best example being a few years back the then head of the Australian Catholic Church (Cardinal Pell now being investigated over child sex abuse allegations) made a deal with the Govt over funding for Catholic schools, then came out publicly against climate change mirroring the Govt line (he equated believing in to be ‘paganism’, the CC and science have always had an uncomfortable relationship).

Belief clusters and alliances means they tend to converge with each other. So by a few questions you can pretty much pick the majority of their positions, such as ask them on: the role of women in society, their views on women’s reproductive rights, LGBTI people. The answers to those, if negative, means that the majority of their other positions will probably be right wing as well and, if white, most likely racist too.

Hostility to women (even by other women) is one of the key indicators of what their belief clusters are going to be like. That is not new by the way, research showed those links in the 1970s. By and large the more right wing (religious or not) they are, the more hostile to women they are as well and vice versa. In fact the ‘alt right’ have been moderately successful at ‘grooming’ young males into their ranks using hostility to women as a ‘hook’.

@ MojaveWolf

Thank you, MW. You seem to have been the only one to take my point on that. Perspicacious as always. 🙂

Lisa,

You must be aware of the replication crisis in the social “sciences”. If you’re citing those kinds of studies, there’s nothing more substantial behind it than the academic left’s wish-list.

But Adorno’s “Authoritarian Personality” (of which, as your 25% figure emphasizes, Hillary’s “basket of deplorables” is a rehash) was a deliberate fraud. Kevin MacDonald outlines this in his book The Culture of Critique. Adorno’s effort was part of a well-worn tradition among Jewish intellectuals to tar traditional gentile culture as pathological. Now, agree with the thesis as you may, its genesis was not empirical research but rather Jewish anti-gentile/anti-Christian bigotry.