Look, Israeli Ground Forces Suck & Their Country Is Postage Stamp Sized

“The two things stopping this from happening are America and that Israel has nukes and everyone thinks they’ll use them.”

I’m getting really tired of this.

First, though I’m by no means required to say this, I am anything but a hard nationalist. I have the same feelings for the currently not so United States of America that I imagine many Russians have for Russia and many Chinese [人 – rén] have for China. I use those two countries as examples. It applies to every country.

I say ‘many’ because populations within a given area all have different ideas and different strengths of feeling about the countries or areas or groups they are a part of.

Now, that said, the statement:

‘The two things stopping this from happening are America and that Israel has nukes and everyone thinks they’ll use them’

should be:

‘The thing stopping this from happening is Israel, its nuke threat, and its stranglehold over America. Israel controls the American political structure, its domestic policing institutions, including most notably the FBI, and its military/intel apparatus.’

Media ownership is also still largely in the hands of Zionists or is heavily Zionist-leaning in order to maintain access to the Israel-occupied levels of power.

Ray McGovern has recently (finally) admitted that there must be at least some penetration into intel. That is very hard for an intel guy to admit, at least one who wants to maintain some semblance of ‘access’ and I believe Ray does.

I don’t think even Phil Giraldi has admitted to subversion of intel. He largely blames the political side.

JFK was aware. He was using a man named John McCone in an attempt to get around the thoroughly Zionized Jesus-Angleton. He was aware of the subversion, though I don’t think he knew how deep it was.

For the record, I am not a Kennedy cultist.

Simply consider that RFK Jr will destroy his own country’s intelligence agency but he’ll bend over backward to defend Israel.

Now, this is not a defense of the CIA. But you do realize that if you were to go after the Mossad or Shin Bet or 8200 or anything Israeli-related whatsoever that RFK Jr will immediately defend Israel to the point of getting angry at you.

When JFK said he was going to ‘smash the CIA into a million pieces’ or something similar – and yes, he did say that – he meant that he was going to arrange it so that it couldn’t be so comparmentalized and secretive.

He wasn’t going to entirely abolish the country’s military-political intelligence.

So why doesn’t RFK Jr tell us this? He could just read from Seymour Hersh’s Samson Option for chrissake:

https://archive.ph/9hRel#selection-4451.0-4451.122

‘In other words, America’s “best Ally” lied to them. Ben-Gurion resigned in May 1963. Following JFK’s murder, Israel resumed testing and faking all through the Johnson and Nixon years. Is is any wonder when the world asks why other countries must adhere to rules ignored by Israel?’

There is ample evidence pointing to Israel as JFK’s killer. Why doesn’t someone in US leadership say this? They will denigrate their own country but not Israel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qvmzEpSGEw

‘In order to become the master, the politician poses as the servant.’

-Charles de Gaulle

Again, I am not talking about blindly supporting the US or its political-military intelligence, particularly the way it’s currently structured. I believe Tom Paine’s advice about criticizing a country to make it better.

But that is not what this criticism is about. It is not about making America better, it’s about blindly supporting Israel.

Our entire political-military class can criticize its own apparatus but not Israel’s.

So who has the power here?

Israel and the ‘Jewish issue’ always supersede everything else you’re working on as a nation.

The United States of America is completely occupied in the most important areas of control by Israel and its operatives and sayanim.

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From Seinfeld, the most Jewish show in America: ‘We’ve always got a man there. He may not be our best man…’

Seinfeld was full of inside Jewish jokes that were portrayed through other groups.

JFK was screwing Marilyn Monroe for a time. Monroe’s history is one of complete Zionist control, from her agent to her psychologist. It’s disgusting what they did to her. Her Olmwood Estate – which was originally owned by a Zionist Jew and featured Tony Curtis and Sonny and Cher (and Greg Allman) as owners over the years, among others – this place was bugged just like the more recent Diddy’s place. And so so many others.

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Much of the extraordinary cinema in the US can be traced to a Russian man named Konstantin Sergeyevich Stanislavski. His ‘method acting’ inspired Lee Strasberg who was one of the founders of the New York Actors Studio.

‘The studio is best known for its work refining and teaching method acting. It was founded in 1947 by Elia Kazan, Cheryl Crawford, and Robert Lewis, and later directed by Lee Strasberg, all former members of the Group Theatre, an early pioneer of the acting techniques of Constantin Stanislavsky that would become known as method acting.

Notable actors and playwrights who have shared their work at the studio include Marilyn Monroe, Marlon Brando (who joined the studio in its first year), Lorraine Hansberry and James Baldwin.’

https://archive.ph/bwCts#selection-2019.0-2095.2

Elia Kazan isn’s so beloved in hard commie circles. He named names!

Monroe’s agent was John Kahn’s father:

https://youtu.be/kc5NKNpN_-I?t=592

The entire album, produced by Kahn, is brilliant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compliments_(album)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Pr3tcyWPQ

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FSaI773Wxg

My observation is different. I’ll grant that Iran makes a good fireworks show periodically, and Hezbollah wins a firefight or two sometimes. There is no credible counterbalance that I’ve seen to the Gaza incursions, the West Bank incursions, the Syria bombings, all the sabotage in Iran, or to the Lebanon bombings. The only effectual group in the mix seems to be the Houthis. Their disruption of the Red Sea is the only real strategic gain that I’ve seen in this wider conflict, but even that doesn’t seem to be deterring Israel to any extent whatsoever.

If one side is eating bunker busters three meals a day, and the other is going home to their own beds at night, then who is winning?

Israel has a population of 10 million to America’s 330 million.
Israel has a GDP of 500 billion to America’s 25 trillion.
Israel’s air force and military is dependent on America aid and technology and has been for it’s entire existence.
America has the largest spy agencies in the world and knows intimate details about people from the most isolated countries on earth.
Epstein wasn’t just a Mossad agent he was a CIA one. The FBI and American police protected and aided Epstein.
P. Diddy had contacts with the FBI.

Here’s a possibility. Israel doesn’t lie to America’s government. It and our government lie to the public because PR and plausible deniability are valuable assets. A RAND paper even states this flat out.
Mossad agents who also worked for the CIA and FBI didn’t gain blackmail material on the American ruling class unbeknownst to the CIA and the American government. The CIA and American government not only knew and helped they are the ones who initiated and planned it. They’ve been doing that since Edgar Hoover formed the FBI in the 30’s.

Israel’s not the master here; America’s oligarchy is. Our ruling class isn’t being forced to support Israel because they all raped someone on video at a sketchy illegal party. They want to because Israel functions in a similar way as Ukraine. As a proxy to weaken any group that opposes the American dystopian empire.

“When I need to identify rebels, I look for men with principles” –Dune
People who speak against Israel aren’t canceled because they oppose Israel. They are canceled because people with principles are dangerous to the rulers boot stamping on a human face –forever.

@Dan Kelly

This is like borderline schizo posting. What does Marilyn Monroe have to do with anything?

I find it that it is sometimes difficult to understand where the question of jewish people in american money/politics ends and the judenfrage begins. Personally I find many issues perfectly readable without bringing the nationality on the table. E.g. the question of money in US politics is a major one, and the fact that some jewish people buy politics does not add much for me to the general problem topic of US politics is for sale. What’s the important differentiator between the jewish people getting their way in DC, or Blackrock or JP Morgan, or Harvard people for that matter? So when someone starts seeing jews everywhere it puts me a bit on alert.
That being said, I think there are a few things that should be mentioned in the context of the US/Israel question of whether it’s the dog wagging the tail or the tail wagging the dog…
First, from the US perspective, Israel is their forward base in the Middle East, to manage their affairs in that part of the world which they consider their own. And to be fair, Churchill sold his part to them in WWII, and sank the French fleet for good measure so that the US could pick up theirs, too. Losing Israel would be a huge blow to the US ability to get their way around the place, so it is to be expected that they keep it alive and kicking.
Second, a good chunk of the US national myth is them being the good guys in WWII, and stemming from that, them obviously still being the good guys. This myth is being used for political profit, and the way to do it is to find more Hitlers, antisemites, and holocausters to fight against, and to distinguish oneself as the good guy on the background of that. All of the US presidential debates having a chapter on who is the biggest Israel supporter is an example of this.
Third, which we kind of barely noticed, and are starting to forget already. A huge chunk of the US elite visited the Epstein island. Epstein was a Mossad asset, and all of what went on on those visits is going to be on video somewhere. To say that this video trove is going to have huge leverage is an understatement at best. So if one wants an actual conspiracy to work with, here is an actual one.

Israel isn’t used to fighting anyone who has an actual military. So now that another nation with an army and other branches of armed forces is standing up to them, they don’t know what to do.

“I simply don’t believe that a big organization, like a country for example, does anyting that is not in the perceived interest of its rulers. Whoever these are. I don’t believe that outsiders can “infiltrate” and make the organization do things that are not in its rulers interest. One of which, of course, is to be regarded as legitimate.”

I am not sure what to make of such an expressed worldview. It might be tautology: rulers perceiving their own interests in whatever way they do, do whatever they do, and what they do, by definition, is pursue their “perceived” interests. What are those perceptions? They are implied in what they do, silly! Maybe that is a little unfair.

I will offer a different explanation based on a different form of explanation, an institutional explanation. I think the policies of large organizations are always shaped by contests for power among various parties with divergent and conflicting interests. When we say “rulers” we acknowledge that some in society have more power and / or more authority in their roles and property claims. But there is no clear demarcation of rulers and ruled, in part because power is just an idea at bottom.

Because this is just a comment, I am not going to write a tome. I will just say if a society is not going to pay good people to advocate for doing good things, but rewards thieves and liars and fools, then, well, that society’s state will tend to do bad and foolish things.

What has gone wrong with Israel is not a simple legacy of its original sin as a settler society. It is a by-product of becoming one of the most economically unequal societies on earth and the corruption that has entailed.

The U.S., too, has become a force for evil because the good people are so politically unorganized. Business and finance are fantastically concentrated. Unions, independent media, mainline churches, fraternal organizations, civic organizations are weak.

There is ample evidence pointing to Israel as JFK’s killer. Why doesn’t someone in US leadership say this? They will denigrate their own country but not Israel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qvmzEpSGEw

Martin Sandler’s revenge motive is certainly plausible.

But the primary reason they killed JFK is because they knew the US was going to continue to want to inspect Dimona and any other potential clandestine sites. They knew the Kennedy administration didn’t trust them not to continue their nuclear program. Obviously.

Remember, JFK was approached by a Jewish Zionist contingent when his campaign needed money in 1960. They told him they’d give him whatever he needs in return for handing them America’s entire Middle East policy. JFK was furious.

There is also the fact that JFK’s father Joe Kennedy was labeled an ‘antisemite’ and was widely perceived as such in the Jewish community.

Israel set up a false lab for the US to inspect as outlined in the article entitled ‘Trump and the Unspeakable? Part II’ I linked to above. That is a reference to James Douglass’ ‘JFK and the Unspeakable’ which is a good JFK source material book, but doesn’t touch on the clear Zionist motive – which Douglass himself later admitted after the evidence was brought to his attention.

The entire conversation in that link is well worth your time.

The other prominent reason is because JFK and Attorney General RFK (Jr’s Dad) were working to get Isaiah L Kenen’s American Zionist Committee to register under FARA.

To avoid the law, Kenen closed up shop and rebranded…as AIPAC.

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Here is former Green Party congresswoman Cynthia McKinney talking about the power AIPAC has over the entire political process in the United States.

Cynthia is prompted by Richie Allen asking her about what most surprised her about the power of money and corporations in the US.

Cynthia immediately said what she was surprised by is the enormous power of AIPAC and how they operate. She describes their relentless pursuit on behalf of their tiny postage stamp,

In short: Every congress member has to sign a pledge that they will support Israel’s military and economic advantage and what have you.

If you don’t sign, no money or access. And relentlessly negative press, and money from all over the country funnels into your opponent’s coffers. Like, if you are running in Michigan, your opponent gets money from a ‘garden club’ in NJ.

There are lots of ‘garden clubs’ throughout the country.

As Cynthia well illuminates, compilng an exhaustive list of Zionist entities operating on behalf of Israel in the US is near impossible. They have inserted themselves into the fabric of everything down to these alleged local garden clubs – literally, and Cynthia remarkably elucidates the finer details with a few notable examples:

She tells of a comedian who approached her in the manner of being a supporter of her campaign, and offered to help her. She accepted and they ended up working together for three weeks on a promotional project that would give her necessary access to necessary $ and exposure for her campaign.

She gets a call three weeks in from the guy – remember, they’d been working on this together until this time with no prior mention of this – she gets a call from the guy asking her to sign the pledge. She refuses as she always does, and he immediately hangs up the phone…never to be heard from again.

Essentially the same thing happened when she had gotten hooked up with Tipper Gore to do a meetup with potential donors at someone’s house. This again was worked on for weeks with no mention whatsoever of Israel or the pledge. Everything was set. The invitations had gone out! And then she gets the call about the pledge, she refuses, and the woman whose house they were to meet at – the host – said she couldn’t use her house anymore for the donor meetup and the whole thing was cancelled.

A third important story illustrates how powerful they are even in the face of you being a model representative to your consitutents and what they and you care about.

Cynthia got hold of a letter written by a powerful donor that was to be shared with other donors. The letter begins by plainly stating that they were very impressed with both her ease of access as a representative and how she voted and legislated on behalf of the issues they care about. They gave Cynthia the highest marks for her service.

They ended the letter by writing that despite all that, she isn’t kosher with Israel and their pledge, so they won’t be donating, and obviously you can’t donate either. This then went out to all the other prominent donors.

Please listen to this very important interview. I have cued it to the section on Cynthia McKinney’s torture at the hands of AIPAC.

Cynthia said every oranization is controlled by them: women’s groups, environmental groups, peace groups.

Think about those last two in particular.

She said it’s all a fraud, and those are her words. This is a woman with years of experience in Congress:

https://youtu.be/Lt2jhx8yhgk?t=707

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https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/cynthia-mckinneys-anti-israel-campaign

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2009/former-democratic-congresswoman-cynthia-mckinney-flirts-holocaust-deniers

https://youtu.be/iTm22Y9tJ4Q

[I have been linking directly to youtube because invidious and similar frontends have been unreliable of late. Interestingly, if you have youtube on auto play the next video that it plays is Zionist operative Noam Chomsky droning away in his robotic monotone, spewing his usual BS about Israel being nothing more than a Pentagon outpost]

Cynthia should have a word with Noamie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCghfXDUcW8

https://irmep.com/2023/10/aipac-israel-want-us-to-finish-ethnically-cleansing-palestine/

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‘I don’t care if Americans think we’re running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them.’

https://archive.ph/K6xrM#selection-2403.137-2403.286

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Nahum Goldmann, founder of the World Jewish Congress, wrote a book called ‘The Spirit of Militarism’ in 1915. Goldmann declared the following:

‘The historical mission of our world revolution is to rearrange a new culture of humanity to replace the previous social system. This conversion and re-organization of society requires two essential steps: firstly, the destruction of the old established order, secondly, design and imposition of the new order.

The first stage requires elimintion of all frontier borders, nationhood and culture, public policy ethical barriers and social definitions; only then can the destroyed old system elements be replaced by the imposed system elements of our new order. The first task of our world revolution is destruction.’

– Nahum Goldmann ‘The Spirit of Militarism’ 1915

Goldmann was a powerful Zionist operative. In his ‘Mein Leben: USA, Europe, Israel’ published in 1981, he reported this about the Roosevelt and his administration, having spent intimate time with them:

‘This weakness of the president (Roosevelt) frequently results in failure on the part of the White House to report all the facts to the senate and the congress, the administration’s description of the prevailing situation is not always absolutely correct and in conformity with the truth.

When I lived in America I learned that Jewish personalities – most of them rich donors for the parties – had easy access to the president.

They used to contact him over the head of the foreign secretary and the representative at the United Nations and other officials. They were often in a position to alter the entire political line by a single conversation.

Stephen Wise occupied a unique position, not only within American Jewry, but also generally in America…He was a close friend of Wilson…

He was also an intimate friend of Roosevelt and had permanent access to him, a relationship which naturally affected his relations to other members of the American adminsitration.

Goldmann later relays a more personal intimation he was privy to:

“…the president’s car stopped in front of the veranda, and before we could exchange greetings, Roosevelt remarked, ‘How interesting! Sam Rosenman, Stephen Wise and Nahum Goldmann are sitting there discussing what order they should give the president of the United States. Just imagine what amount of money the Nazis would pay to obtain a photo of this scene…

We began to stammer to the effect that there was an urgent message from Europe to be discussed by us, which Rosenman would submit to him on Monday. Roosevelt dismissed him with the words, ‘This is quite alright, on Monday I shall hear from Sam what I have to do’…..and he drove on.”

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This is the transcript of Cynthia McKinney’s interview with Richie Allen:

RA: Talk about just how prevalent and all-pervasive lobbies acting on behalf of big corporations…just how common and ordinary that is in Washington D.C. in and around politics. You were right there..I imagine it was an eye-opener when you first served, your first term.

CM: I’ll tell you what was an eye-opener for me, during my very first campagin, was the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Because I had never seen anything like what I experienced with them was sheer torture.

What happened was I received a fax from them and the fax said…it was like a pledge. And I needed to sign my name and send it back to them and they would keep a record that you made this pledge and you were going to support Israel. And it had some stipulations on there: military superiority, aid, Jerusalem as the capital city. And I said, I’m not even sworn in yet. Can you give me a chance to get inside the system and learn the issue and then I’ll get back to you.

RA: Brilliant. Common sense.

CM: Common sense maybe, but not political practice: I was hounded from that moment on. Whether it was a women’s organization, or an environmental organization.

What I learned is that the operatives for the Israeli Lobby, they control women’s organizations, environmental organizations. It really didn’t matter. Peace organizations. Everything is a fraud.

So, I would say okay, I’d like to get your endorsement, from the environmentalist, or the women’s organizations. And I would get a call saying, well, did you sign the pledge?

Now this ostensibly is from a women’s organization.

I’m a woman. I’m the only woman running.

And I needed to sign the pledge before I could even get looked at.

Peace organizations. Did you sign THE PLEDGE? Environmental organizations: Oh, we can’t support you, you didn’t sign THE PLEDGE.

What I learned, and of course I went through and did a whole lot of researching. And I discovered that Gus Savage, member of congress from Chicago, had also been targeted by them before my arrival. And he put his experience on the congressional record. FOR THE WORLD TO SEE, IF THEY WOULD CARE TO READ ABOUT IT.

And what he said is what I discovered. And that is that EVERY ASPECT OF THE POLITICAL PROCESS IS IN SOME WAY OR OTHER CONTROLLED OR INFLUENCED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE AFFILIATED WITH THE PRO-ISRAEL LOBBY.

So the name of the organization might be the New Jersey Garden Club. But in actuality, it’s them.

So his experience was that his opponent was getting thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars from organizations like the Garden Club…that’s an example that Gus Savage used. And he started investigating why is the ‘NJ Garden Club’ contributing money to my opponent in Chicago?

And then he found the links.

And that’s what happened to me. I had people from all over the United States sending money to my opponent, just at the word. And then we were able to come by a letter where the person who was soliciting funds for my opponent said ‘She’s not friendly to Israel.’

I had one person writing letters all over Georgia and that letter said when we go to her office we are received very well. She always meets with her constituents. She votes very well on our issues. WE HAVE NO COMPLAINTS ABOUT HER REPRESENTATION EXCEPT FOR ISRAEL.

And for that reason this person was writing a letter saying he wasn’t going to support me, and recommending to the people who receive the letter not to support me either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt2jhx8yhgk&t=707s

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Gus Savage’s speech about the power of the Israel Lobby.

Zionist Israel’s power inside the United States is greater now than it was then.

Both candidates are completely beholden to Zionism and Israel. Harris’ donors, inner circle, her husband, brother-in-law, etc. Joe Biden is a Zionist. Biden-Harris. Harris unequivoally supports Israel even in the face of genocide.

Donald Trump’s donors, his trips with Zionist operative child rapist Epstein on both their planes multiple times and the fact he is one of the few names actually circled in the book along with Bill Clinton, as reported by Nick Bryant of Franklin Scandal fame. Trump’s best friend and mentor being the infamous Roy Cohn who trained him in media and politics. Trump called Cohn everyday at least once until the day Cohn died.

Donald Trump unequivocally supports Israel in the face of genocide and has just said that Israel should bomb Iran’s nuclear facilites.

Oded Yinon’s plan will continue unimpeded so long as you don’t wake up to what is right in front of you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQP8V-kZ2EQ

@ Jan

Legitimacy is important, but it is strange and I dare say, that in our present moment, “our rulers” may be willing test limits in new ways. My understanding of legitimacy is that gaining some measure of acceptance of established authority economizes on the costs of coercion, which costs can be considerable and insidious. Historically, ruling classes can be found that were willing to trade off the general welfare of their society and the strength of the state against concentration of wealth and power in their own hands. In other words, rulers are always tempted to become more parasitical or just lazier even though it weakens the society and state which they head. The ruled, dependent and feeling their personal precariousness and individual helplessness, will accept impositions and injustice and incompetence, rather than risk the violence and chaos that come with societal collapse or revolution. The lowly hate the Leviathan and resist in minor ways but also fear its absence. In a different context, if the bosses know their business, a trade union strike will cost the workers more than settling; it requires a willingness to engage in altruistic punishment to discipline the bosses with a strike.

I am sure you know all this. Ian and various excellent commenters make points with regard to these social and political tensions all the time.

My somewhat tangential point was about intent and conceptions of collective self-interest. Conceiving of what one’s self-interest, personal or collective, is and of strategies to pursue it requires thinking. Thinking is a social and political activity, requiring resources and organization, carried out through political association and public and private discourse. If stupid is never challenged, because no one can get or keep a job carrying out that challenge, well, stupid wins. Stupid and corrupt prevails.

Witness Julian Assange serving hard time for the crime of journalism.

Societies and states are driven without any individual or group really intending anything in full consciousness and with critical reflection, because the formation of state policy is the outcome of a contested political struggle. I am saying the quality of state policy deteriorates with the increasing incompetence or predation of elites. And, I am saying that depriving some “political types” (for lack of a better term) of institutional support in the society (aka resources) does shape the quality of state policy.

International conflicts are often driven as much or more by the internal divisions and authoritarian pathologies of hierarchical societies as they are by any “interest” rivalrous states have identified and pursued. We used to know this, collectively, but we forget under the weight of propaganda stories that try to normalize the past into a mirror image of however we understand the present.

The First World War was driven less by the rivalry of the Great Powers than it was by internal political tensions that were undermining the legitimacy of the ruling classes in those individual states. The Second World War was driven by the social and political pathologies deeply embedded in German and Japanese social and political structures, and it was resolved with rare finality because of an Allied policy of deep institutional reforms.

I don’t think we fully realize how truly sick American politics and political institutions are. Most Americans are in denial. Upton Sinclair’s point about the difficulty of persuading a man whose income depends on “believing” a lie applies to the difficulty of getting anyone to express intelligent, well-informed arguments and good will, if there’s no money in it and jail time is the only bonus.

It’s Sunday night the 6th going on Monday morning the 7th as these words are written.
Wonder what kind of world will dawn with the morrow.
It’s already in motion.
Going down. . .