Macron Wins in France

Talk about the Lying Liar Media and The French Election, CNN right now is implying that this is a yuuuggge victory for Macron with the full weight of the French People behind him.

But, Tom in the previous thread indicates voter turnout was abysmal at less than 30%. If so, CNN is engaging, once again, in pure, unadulterated Propaganda. The celebrations they’re showing in France are not representative. It’s a small percentage of the population as a whole and it does not represent the sentiment of the population, but for the average CNN viewer it does, and that’s CNN’s intent.

Can Tom’s voter turnout statistic be verified? I can’t find verification of it online anywhere.

65.4%? So a late surge after people got off work, when I first checked the turnout it was early morning which is probably why. But still that less than a super majority and Macron really doesn’t have the majority support. Well the French made their bed, they can lie in it.

As for Britain, Corbyn fucked up, plain and simple, he isn’t a leader and he backed the wrong horses and let the wrong horses in his party run. Corbyn has no one but himself to blame.

It’s reassuring to see the French live up to their reputation of surrendering to the Germans whenever the opportunity arises. They had the opportunity to stand with many of the people of Greece, Spain and the UK but instead chose a safe space with the bankers and parasites.

>It’s reassuring to see the French live up to their reputation of surrendering to the Germans whenever the opportunity arises. They had the opportunity to stand with many of the people of Greece, Spain and the UK but instead chose a safe space with the bankers and parasites.

You forgot Russia.

Adding – your post Ian on the sterile elites looks 100% on target in light of the media response to the French election. It’s almost astonishing at this point, they are so far into their bubble they don’t even understand how lost and zombie-like they seem to an outsider.

https://www.ft.com/content/87d6f430-f521-11e6-95ee-f14e55513608?segmentid=acee4131-99c2-09d3-a635-873e61754ec6

At least Macron acknowledges France’s occupation of Algeria amounted to crimes against Humanity. Will be useful for getting better trade deals with them for oil and opening up markets.

Still if Macron is serious, he needs to reign in the Lacite State apparatus and repeal the ridiculous veil bans and embrace secularism in order to nip radicalism in the bud. Turkey did Lacism, it doesn’t work and makes democracy a sham.

During the campaign Le Pen quipped that France would be ruled by a woman no matter the election results. It would either be her or it would be Angela Merkel.

It should be noted that about a third of the ballots were either spoiled or unfilled, which means that about two-thirds of voters didn’t want Macron.

Here it is. Wow. It supports my earlier point. The French realized it was Shit or Shit, Small Pox or Ebola, so many said NONE OF THE ABOVE. Good on them. That’s the proper reaction. A step in the right direction.

How Le Pen actually came THIRD: Record number of spoiled ballots and abstentions beats votes cast for the far-right candidate

by providing documentation that the establishment are a bunch of liars and cheats. That’s what these people are so furious about, though it’s the part of the narrative that’s never, ever mentioned.

I don’t support hacking in any way, shape or form regardless of who is doing it. Hacking will ALWAYS be abused and rarely, if ever, is, or will be, used for anything good. Hackers are lowlife, cowardly scumbags. In otherwords, LOSERS. Hackers are not cool. Quite the opposite. They’re mistakes.

Plus, I don’t need the hacked emails to tell me what is already ridiculously obvious to anyone with more than a brainstem, and for those with nothing more up top than a brainstem, no amount of evidence will convince them anyway.

I’m not certain the revelation of the content of the hacked emails swayed very many people to vote another way than they had already intended. All it did really was allow Trump Supporters to froth at the mouth that much more like the rabid dogs they are.

Considering the results of the French runoff yesterday, the American Mainstream Media’s claims have less merit considering the fact that if the allegations about Putin’s meddling are true, he’s a miserable failure. Le Pen, his candidate of choice obviously, got trounced.

Tsar Vlad failed here, too–if we’re speaking of the popular vote. Fortunately for Tsar Vlad, he could rely on the dinosaurian institution of the Electoral College in his shenanigans against the USA.

@The Stephen Miller Band “the revelation of the content of the hacked emails”

Let’s be clear. There’s no credible evidence that anything was “hacked” or that Russia had any involvement whatever in the publication of the emails in question. But even if Russia were actually involved, that wouldn’t let the Dems off the hook for their own obvious and now proven corruption. This is politics, not a legal proceeding.

The problem for Le Pen is that despite everything she is not “government-shaped”. (One contributing factor is, yes, being a woman, since French politics is ludicrously old-fashioned patriarchal for a society that squeals bloody murder at the appearance of hijabs. But it is not the only factor — see her father.) These non-government-shaped protest politicians from right and left have a hard time convincing the electorate they have the “fine skills” that would allow them to operate the levers of state. But their lack of such skills is simultaneously their appeal. I think many voters in the USA who protest-voted for Trump or stayed home did so knowing that there was a layer of bureaucracy and other systems that would keep the central figure from doing much damage. The relationship of many European leaders to the bureaucracy and the fine points of European integration make the head-of-government more directly involved. Much of the public knows that a satisfying protest vote for a screw-up could have far-reaching material consequences.

The real danger to the established system (and, if a right-winger, to any kind of minority or non-dominant identity group) will come when someone manages to square that circle: someone who can appear “government-shaped” but capture the protest appeal.

Hollande won it going away. Hollande triumphed -or Hollandisme triumphed, to be more accurate- despite the man being so unpopular in his policies and person that he couldn’t even run. His handlers took a liter of his blood and a graft of his skin from his ribs and from it grew Emmanuel Macron in a vat. Hollande won because the French Left was ready to prove itself as stupid as the Left elsewhere. If they ever want their turn they must first disrupt and disable the status quo and strip it of its aura of invincible stability and inevitability. But they can’t do that on their own. They simply haven’t got the numbers so they have to join with other forces of discontent. The great majority are discontented and yet France just democratically elected the personification of the very forces making it unhappy. Democracy, you are the mother of all paradox.

There was only one candidate the French Left could have voted for in the final round to break the hypnotic spell of neoliberal technocracy, and “Nobody” wasn’t it. Oh but for us to vote cynically for Le Pen – that is out of the question! What about our precious principles? They’re idiots and they deserve to languish in their permanent internal exile. If they’re starving, let them eat their votes for “Nobody.” They can turn to “Nobody” now for their bread. Well, perhaps with austerity as their instructor they can learn to subsist on sunshine and the nitrogen given off by their putrefying principles.

Au contraire, mon Péter. I want Trump to keep his campaign promise — or at least one of them. This one.

What’s he waiting for? What are you waiting for? It’s what his supporters want. So what’s the hold up?

How come he hasn’t gotten Sessions on this yet? Where’s The Beef?

I would love to see The Clintons behind bars. In The Hague like Milošević would be nice. I’m all for it.

So, Let’s Roll. Let’s get it done. What do you say, Petros?

Lock Her Up! Lock Her Up! Lock Her Up!

Stirling, we are where we are because everyone is trying to get ahead and everyone, naturally, cannot be ahead. If everyone was ahead, there would be no such thing as ahead. It’s the delusion that you can get ahead that lures us into the Rat Race and makes Rats of us all.

On the other hand, you shouldn’t let a few molded strawberries spoil the entire basket, therefore, you need to go through them and weed out and throw away the moldy ones and wash the remainder and slice them up and put them on your Progress Ice Cream for a nice, wholesome, non-toxic (so long as the strawberries are organic) dessert.

I reckon I’d be for locking her–and her hubby–up too, if I believed what may well be the best-financed and most dedicated smear campaign in the history of human civilization.

I can’t say “most successful” smear campaign, however–Bill won twice, in spite of it. 😛

Pete’s team won on a Hail Madoka pass on the last play–with serious questions, throughout the game, about the honesty and competence of the officiating–but he acts as if his team won 77-0. 😆

I’ve made this point B4 but it’s worth re-posting (on the off chance that his paymasters will read this thread). His entire output ain’t worth 2 shits a decade much less 2 cents a day. Cut. him. loose.

Crazy Uncle Peter would follow his Dear Leader into the bunker, even though his Dear Leader would throw CUPeter under the bus in, well, a New York minute, if Dear Leader could make five cents off selling CUPeter’s corpse to a third-rate pet food company.

No, strike that–CUPeter would throw himself under the bus so DL could have that extra nickel, if DL asked him to.

I thank CUPeter for the correction.

He’d throw himself under a tank if the Orange Grifter asked him to.

Putin Cheetolini thanks him for his canine loyalty.

Poor little Tom H, he whimpers about communicating after his earlier spittle flecked snowflake outburst. It’s obvious that communicating, discussing or debating ideas are beyond his skill set which leaves him dependent on the lower forms of attack.