The Latest Dossier on Trump

Oh, this is a powder keg Ian. But hey, I’ll throw a match.

Let’s just start with this premise: It would be healthier for the left if they found the courage to swallow this indictment, rather than puke it back up in Stoller’s face. And although there are some valid questions asked in the twitter thread, I think Stoller’s larger point should be digested.

And for anyone fighting the flu while reading this, I apologize for the extended gastronomic metaphor.

the problem is not that the ‘phants are in favor of corruption, it is that the Donks do not offer an alternative. right now they are busy trying to save the ACA – which on its face is a hopeless compromise with people who say that they do not like compromise.

( https://symbalitics.blogspot.com/2017/01/fon-dparikulur-05.html the latest installment of my current novella)

I come not to praise Putin, but to bury him. Now, Putin is an evil man. But when he came to power, the Russian life expectancy reversed its downward trend and headed north again. But Putin is an evil man.

Broke link. It’s http://rpuchalsky.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-buzzfeed-leaked-document.html

I am inclined to think that this type of so-called salacious information even if true is not useful. If JFK who slept with countless women could not be blackmailed by Khrushchev, only by Hoover, then I don’t see how the Putin could effectively use this information, supposing it it is true. After all, the Russian know the truth behind the JFK, RFK, and MLK assassinations as well as 9/11, the Boston Marathon, Sandy Hook, etc. And it has not proved of any value to them.

Glenn Greenwald mocked the use of the word “dossier” to describe this shabby memo while most everyone else in the media and blogs just parroted it giving the impression of a sexy European investigation even if they didn’t intend to promote this meme.

This is why our real Fake News has been so successful for so long because many people don’t read much beyond the headline so all the counter arguments that follow are little more than white noise, the message was implanted and persists.

This recent almost insane explosion of drivel coming from the Clintonites throughout government and the media could be overcome and Trump may have to break it to survive. So far he has stared down the CIA and his success there triggered this lame but related attack. The Clintonites are still clever creatures who hope these attacks will cause Trump to overreact and earn the strongman image they want him to project.

Trump doesn’t seem to be taking their bait and is keeping his countermoves limited to sharp exposing invective aimed at the media and the Clintonites. I heard he went after the media again in his news conference and even my crazy neighbor was cheering his actions.

Meanwhile in Russia …

I find myself agreeing with Peter.

In MILINT, Law, CRIMINT and Law Enforcement, a dossier is a collection of at least putatively actionable material. Nothing in the “full document” to which Buzzfeed linked is remotely actionable.

Relevant to this post and thread, here is a link to the most recent post on this anti-Trump “intelligence”. It was written and posted by guest-poster Walrus over at Colonel Lang’s Sic Semper Tyrannis website.

It gives an insight into the deeper Power Political interests and players which the Clintonite Shitocrat scum live to worship and serve. Here is the link. ( The thread deserves as much attention as the basic post itself).
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/01/dangerous-memes-by-walrus.html

Hell Different Clue, if true that makes it even worse.

We’re talking about the guys who are supposed to have James Bond (Daniel Craig version) level intel and sophistication. The guys who employ sci-fi technology with lethal accuracy and brutal efficiency. The kind of people who scare you because they are cold blooded, brilliant, and utterly without scruple.

You expect some cutting edge technology where a video of Trump engaging in debased and demeaning behavior is fabricated with so much expertise that it isn’t determined to be a fake for a decade. Instead you get some clown cutting a photo of Trump out of a magazine and pasting it onto a wanted poster. And then expecting the public to accept it without reservation.

Will

The headline itself made me laugh out loud. Now, I guess I’ll go back and read the whole thing.

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Do Peter and different clue look under their beds each night to make sure no Clintonites are lurking there? Also if Pence is a Clintonite, why did Trump choose him? Is Trump a crypto-Clintonite in disguise? That would certainly explain the hair. Has Trump responded to this latest attack or is he still tweeting about Meryl Streep? Thank goodness we don’t have any serious problems like the country circling the drain so that the Deep State can obsess about Trump’s sex life and Trump can obsess about Streep.

“We can’t confirm any of it, and we know some of it is wrong, but we went with it anyway.”

{….}

Democrats lost to an extremely unpopular, very flawed person, because they ran the country badly for a lot of people, and those people are upset.

“Fake news” is only fake news when it’s not officially approved. The Clinton campaign promoted plenty of fake news about Sanders camp:

http://observer.com/2016/11/bernie-sanders-presidential-run-was-sabotaged-by-fake-news/

The hysteria over Donald Trump’s election win has led the entirety of the mainstream media to search for culprits who committed this crime. Many of them have blamed fake news stories about Pope Francis endorsing Trump, R.E.M. suing Trump and articles by writer Paul Horner who told Rolling Stone he was actually trying to keep Trump out of the White House. Fake news may indeed have played a role in electing Trump, but no one in the media seemed to care when the the lies were benefiting Hillary Clinton—and attacking Bernie Sanders. In fact, fake news was propagated throughout the Democratic primaries in order to sabotage Sanders’ campaign, and distract from the challenge he posed to Clinton.

And just like the Russkies were alledged to have done, they paid armies of trolls to spread these lies:

https://stream.org/astroturf-outrage-machine-of-paid-trolls-floods-social-media-to-counteract-negative-news-about-hillary-clinton/

The moderators of the Sanders subreddit /r/SandersForPresident wrote that the “Bernie Bro” concept was created by fake accounts in order to “establish a narrative that Bernie’s supporters are all racist, sexist young males who harass people online.” David Fredrick, co-founder and moderator of the subreddit, told The Atlantic when Sanders was still in the race, “If anyone criticizes a Sanders supporter online now there’s doubt over whether it’s a genuine exchange or if it’s something that Correct the Record is behind.”

David Brock, a former right-wing activist who now works for Clinton and started the left-wing site Media Matters which ruthlessly targets conservatives, is credited with creating the online trolling project. After the actor Tim Robbins, a Sanders supporter, received a barrage of tweets attacking him for speculating about election fraud hurting Sanders, Robbins responded to 88 different accounts with this tweet, “Dear @CorrectRecord operatives, Thank you for following today’s talking points. Your check is in the mail. Signed, @davidbrockdc.”

Now our government’s response has been to quietly pass the “Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act” which although the authors say wouldn’t apply to Americans or American web sites which are “promoting disinformation” or “foreign propaganda” lack that qualifier in the text of the bill:

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/01/100755.html

P.S. I don’t know anything about 4chan except the name. AND the fact that they’re not reliable.

I can’t stop laughing.

The Democrats did not govern well? Not that they would have, but who have held most of the reins of government in the US since 2010? The Republicans. It is ironic that they have been able to put most of the blame on their poor government on the Democrats, but 1) the Democrats let them take power and 2) the Democrats did not push the blame back very much or very well. Possibly because the Democrats are Republicans lite.

Lisa:
“(evangelicals hate Catholics and other types of evangelicals, Catholics hate protestants,, they all hate Muslims and many hate Jews).”

Which reminds me:

“The whole world is festering with unhappy souls.
The French hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch,
And I don’t like anybody very much.” 😉

from The Merry Minuet, by the Kingston Trio

Q – Does it matter if the democrats were “in charge” by title only as they did not have the house and senate for much of the presidency, and if so should be republicans not take the blame?

“the democrats were “in charge” by title only as they did not have the house and senate for much of the presidency”

And whose fault is that? Obama took an election that a Broken Tennis Racket or BTR-[D] could have won.

The nation had thoroughly repudiated Bush [the 2nd] and Republican, what does Obama do? Obama proposed a recycled Heritage Foundation “health plan”, TARP, HAMP, FISA, NDAA, escalating the AF-PAK war, a continuation of “regime change” QE I through QE^[n] al all in an effort to make the fabulously rich richer.

So yeah, Democrats lost the tidal wave of support that put Obama in office in 2008. In 2010, in Florida, Obama opposed a black Democrat and supported a white Republican. Yeah, “they did not have the house and senate for much of the presidency” because Obama wanted it that way.

Stop it already with the “my hands are tied” crap. Obama was/is the man who single-handedly saved the Republican party.

Kind of amazing. Silly me, I thought the real story here was the Matt Stoller twitter stream.

The buzzfeed stuff? Panem et circenses. Ooo! Ooo! ooo! Look at the shiny thing!
While the establishmentarians — of which I include Trump because he’s silver spoon 1% Ivy league’er — continue to rob us all blind.

I mentioned to a friend the other day that Trump’s election is nothing more than the Shock Doctrine Episode #473 “The President.”

Keep your eye on the ball folks …

@chris collins:

Why? I’m sure someone will send them FOIA request.

S Brennan: “…Obama wanted it that way.”

Do you really think so? My conclusion, based on reading who knows how many articles these past 8 years, Obama’s two books, Plouffe’s book, and the biographies by Halperin and Heilemann, Remnick, and Alter, and the excellent book in the influence of Wall Street by Suskind, is that Obama is a thoroughly indoctrinated neoliberal, simply unable to conceive of a workable alternative to neoliberalism because he has been miseducated to believe that the only alternative is some variant of Marxism, which is not acceptable because we won the Cold War, blah, blah. And, his time running the Harvard Law Review really made him believe that not only was bipartisanship achievable, but that it was…. “fashionable” would be a good word, I think. One of the many things that astonished me was that Obama and his team did not realize they had an incipient mass movement right under their noses. They had very sharp political instincts for the USA two party system, but absolutely no clue about the actual socio-political condition of the country. What I mean is, they saw that in 2008 anyone who was not a Republican could be elected President, so that was “their” opportunity. It obviously never occurred to them that 2010 would be a crucial mid-term election because of the census redistricting that would follow.

Thinking back on it, another thing that strikes me is that neither Obama, or Plouffe, or anyone else close to Obama, ever spoke of Franklin Roosevelt and the New Deal as if they were actually familiar with them. I don’t think they ever read anything about it, and certainly never discussed some of the extreme measures Roosevelt and Harry Hopkins took to get millions of people a paying job so they wouldn’t starve in the winter of 1933-34.

Suskind’s book is excellent for seeing Obama and his advisors in relation to the financial crash. They were complete dolts. Never saw it coming, and had no idea why it had happened. Except for Obama, who obviously knew far more than the people around him, but only because he had become friends with Robert Wolf of UBS, and Wolf was giving Obama detailed accounts of what was happening in the financial markets. Otherwise, Obama would have been as surprised and lost as everyone else.

In short, Obama and his people recognized that 2008 would be an election repudiating Republicans. And that’s all. Outside the detailed minutia of a national political campaign, they were all actually rather dumb and uninspired. On economics, they are complete dolts. You have to read Obama’s books to see how limited his economic thinking is.

Maybe there was a misunderstanding with the Russians. Maybe he meant “golden shower” in the Scrooge way.

Your argument, if it is that, is a bit incoherent, what are try to say?

@Tom:

And what kind of president will that be exactly?

Just to be clear; I no longer care who is the president of the U.S.; they’re all the same pieces of shit; same shit, different year. As a commentor I’m going into sleep mode, to get away from the insane bull shit. Actually, for the life of me, I can no longer remember my reason for commenting in the first place…
That said; for entertainment value Trump is hard to beat; he told CNN directly they’re fake news and wouldn’t take a question from their reporter. That counts for him.

V. Arnold, I admit I have not gotten this whole the Russkies are coming! the Russkies are coming! media frenzy. It is about as believable as saying that Trump is controlled by agents from Planet X. This latest “dossier” just sort of tops it off. It has got to be one of the stupidest, most lame-brained smears I have ever come across. It’s a cobbled and patched piece of shit. And even if it were true, no one cares. Rather than hobbling Trump or discrediting him, it will inoculate him for a considerable while from much more legitimate attacks, and will serve to discredit organizations like CNN which were just a little too eager to run with it. So what was the point?

If I had to guess, I would say it was a British fabrication. It has that tin-eared quality to it of projecting sexual obsessions of one class and country on to another. If it had been an American product, it would have adhered more to the Edwin Edwards line. Edwards was from Louisiana and was one of the crookedest politicians in a state that was known for them. He said the only way he could lose an election in Louisiana was if he was caught in bed either with a dead girl or a live boy. That resonates. Golden showers is just pissing into the wind, so to speak.

At least we know now what color our color revolution will be.

Never thought I’d be glad that our right wing has gone on a decade long guns ‘n’ ammo buying binge, but now I see it may be a good thing after all.

>When Hillary has her Emails released.

Ian: Despite the source being the Russian Government, it’s good that something being covered up from the citizens is shown.

What’s with the sea change Ian?

CIA Dossier was a troll from 4chan…

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-10/4chan-claims-have-fabricated-anti-trump-report-hoax

Trump has all the ammunition he needs to bitchslap the CIA in line.

@ moreidentitymoremoreidentity what an ignorant comment. and just when i was seeing a turn to more civility here.

@Web

I watched Obama rip the hopey-changey heart out many of his messianic followers but it is unfair to project that naiveté onto Trump supporters as some commenters do. I think most everyone knows that he is a capitalist pig of the highest order and his task is to save capitalism from its own contradictions. The deals with Carrier, Ford, Chrysler and possibly Toyota on keeping jobs in the US is a promising start to a possible new attitude about what is important for the whole country.

I don’t expect much change on civil liberties but that wide ranging topic is always a concern especially since 9/11. If you are referring to blocking/inconveniencing visitors from some Muslim countries due to conflict or deporting criminal illegal aliens both of those seem to be the responsibilities of a sane nation state.

@Tony Wikrent

I’ve come to think Obama (or other persons like Obama) would believe in neoliberalism, because he benefits greatly from that belief. People at the top of dominant hierarchy inevitably seem to like their position, because it is usually lucrative. A slightly different take, quoting Upton Sinclair (always seems to me like most of the great quotes are already taken): ” It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” We witnessed that post-election when pollsters scrambled to explain their failure, which (not as they described it) simply that, they couldn’t understand the rage their ideology makes no room for (as everyone knew, “the country was in near full recovery). So they didn’t even have the language to communicate with the mass of those who viewed the world differently.

Lisa, the Muslim who killed around 50 victims at an Orlando. Florida gay nightclub last October had all the power he needed.

So did the Muslim US Army major who killed 13 coworkers in Fort Hood, Texas back in 2009. In fact, Muslims have so much political power that “our” President labelled the incident as workplace violence at the time, and didn’t admit it was terrorism until six years later.

So did the Muslim couple who killed 14 and wounded 21 coworkers in a San Bernadino, CA Christmas party in 2015.

And our major thought leaders lined up in every case to spew some chit about “Islamophobia.”

If Trump has been compromised by his braggadocio and pussy-grabbing predilections while overseas, and mp4s and 8×10 glossies are in a Kremlin vault, then it explains Trump’s pro-Russian remarks, pro-Russian cabinet members, and his espoused posture on so many defense and intel topics that must make Putin do a happy dance.

For a bully and propaganda artist 1st-class, to accuse the media of Nazi tactics only confirms that he has read Goebels too. Given the damage already done to FBI, CIA, NSA, defense contractors like Lockheed, and the media Trump might as well be a Russian operative deserving of the Hero of Labour of the Russian Federation medal. Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.

@TomOTB

You’re what we needed a little comic relief from a true believer. I’ll wait for the link to the Make the CIA Great Again t-shirts soon to go on sale.

@ Peter

No, amigo, actually that was a lot of comic relief.

Unintentional of course; probably way too much ‘sunshine.’

But, it’s not nice to laugh at the demented.

@ MFI

I tried to follow your advice, and now my shredder is broken.

Thanks a lot. 🙂

*all too well — apologies.

@ Peter VE

OR, maybe they just met with Trump so they could slip an earwig into his ear.

You can’t prove they didn’t, can ya?

@ MFI

I couldn’t tell—is the earwig included?

@ MFI

Where in the rules does it say I must be limited to just one fetish lol?