The Problem with Hillary Clinton

Hillary

I deeply hope that Hillary who urged Obama to make a $1.5-2 trillion mess of Libya & Syria with her wars of aggression is shown the door at the first chance. Two wars that have left those once prosperous countries shattered, with over 350,000 dead…all to please Hillary’s political contributors.

Hillary is a war criminal, no better than Hans Frank, or Wilhelm Frick, additionally, she is a sociopath of the first order, her cackle, yes, cackle at the news of Gaddafi dying after being anally raped with a bayonet should put the matter to rest. I’m all for a woman president…but not one who finds rape & murder humorous material.

Comparing Hillary to a Nazi isn’t fair…she’s far closer to a Green River Murderer. I don’t want somebody who is unwilling to hide her cruelty, something most sociopaths can manage, anywhere near the nuclear button.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/19/flashback_2011_hillary_clinton_laughs_about_killing_moammar_gaddafi_we_came_we_saw_he_died.html

Her name is still misspelled in the image caption, tags, 9th paragraph, and third-last paragraph (counting a “paragraph” as everything between line breaks). Did you forget about Ctrl-F?

The biggest problem I see with Hillary is that she doesn’t have the ability to shake off influence from corporate donors. I recall a video in which Elizabeth Warren recounted a story where she basically educated Hillary on why a certain bill going through congress was bad for the American people. Warren said of Hillary, “I never had a smarter student,” and Hillary turned around the entire administration to prevent it from passing.

However, when Hillary became Senator, the exact same bill came up again, and she voted in favor of it. In Warren’s words, “As Senator Clinton, the pressures are very different from when she was First Lady.” To me, corporate influence threatens to destroy all traces of American democracy, so a candidate who can’t fight that influence is unacceptable.

I get the impression that Hillary is rather vindictive – if you get in her way, she will make your life miserable. When she wants something, people fall in line. It’s the kind of politics I really hate, and it explains why she’s gotten so many endorsements so early on in the campaign (granted, it could be as simple as telling people what they want to hear, which Hillary seems to be good at).

I agree also that she’s “a conservative politician with bad judgment,” and she seems to surround herself with other poor-judgment people like Debbie Wasserman Schultz – formerly the co-chair of Hillary’s 2008 campaign, now the despotic chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee. The fact that she did not recuse herself from her position of authority when Hillary ran was suspect from the beginning; the debacle between the DNC and the Sanders campaign has only added to my suspicion. Something is afoul.

S Brennan entirely stole my post.

Seriously, I would actually prefer that Trump be elected for three reasons:

1). He doesn’t pretend to not be a vicious, evil scumbag.

2). He and Putin’s ongoing love fest means he’s less likely to start WW3 over Syria.

3). If he is elected at least the mainstream left can stop pretending they have an ally in the Whit House.

The problem with Hillary? Gods be good; where to start. How about her rabid hawkishness; being a serial liar; and a tool of Wallstreet.
The link below is a good assessment of Hillary;

https://thisishell.com/interviews/878-doug-henwood

I would sooner see Trump as president than another Clinton. But then, I quit voting after 2000 because it was clear it no longer matters…

So Steve, I take it you are at least in agreement with points #1 & 3 of my post?

Dan Lynch
December 22, 2015
Hillary wants to make her mark and is willing to fight and take chances to get what she wants. I don’t agree with much of what she wants, but nonetheless I think she would “do stuff,” and wheel and deal to pass legislation. Many of those things would be bad things, but she would not sit on her thumbs.
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Your gleaming generalities are a meaningless word salad. You specify nothing but vague statements about this, that, and other. Unbelievable aquiescence to illegitimate authority by you boggles the (my) mind.
Hillary (as already said) is a serial liar, corrupt to the core, a hawk beyond redemption, and a proven, self confessed tool of Wallstreet. And that’s okay because “she’ll do stuff”?
Fuck all; you exemplify all that is wrong with the “voting public’s ignorance” of being able to define the candidates and their policies.
Well, one way or the other, you’ll likely get your candidate and you’ll have to live with a no change government of intrusive spying, torture, extra-judicial killings of US citizens, suspension of Habeas corpus, rendition, and YOUR ass on the line if you don’t tow the line.
I’ll not live in a world like that. And I don’t!
Good luck, you’ll need all you can get.

i might actually vote for Trump, after reading where Clinton made “nice” and sucked up to Richard Scaife Mellon a few months ago, who financed the whole “Hate against the Clintons/Whitewater et al” campaign, that lasted for 8 years during Bill Clinton’s reign as President. After seeing this charade, it’s easy to see how Clinton will do anything to become President. also i stopped watching TV listening to the Corporate Media. lol, funny how that worked!! i think Hillary will be elected. the Republicans need a “cover” to do their dirty work, as Bill did the Republicans dirty work for the entire 8 years of his move to the far right. Obama and Bill Clinton have always done what the Republicans wanted and couldn’t do.

Sucking up to the Republicans is worse than being a Republican, if that is possible. lol. at least Republican have “integrity?.” lol. they stab you directly where they told you they were going to. the Democrats, like Obama and the Clintons did as President, and both Senate and House D’s have done, these D’s stab us in the back, in accordance to the Republican’s desire. Vichy French/Quislings helping the Nazis is an analogy that works for these traitors. Some deeds require more finesse than Republicans beliefs allow.

Obama has been the “Plantation Overseer,”particularly when it came to Budget Bills, letting the Bush tax cuts become law, raising taxes on middle income/Fica taxes, and never ever demanding anything in “bargaining with Republicans during Budget talks, lol. such a good model for those willing to sell out the hoi polloi. Bill Clinton, too, has always done Republican desires, like gutting Welfare, moving American jobs offshore/the Glass Steagall Act Repeal, which gave us the 2008 Economic Crash/NAFTA, for example. these “Lesser Evils” do more evil than any Republican in office could. Keeping the public divided is what has worked since time immemorial. and the Democrats who are in office are just one side/”the lesser evil”/ side of the duopoly party.

Clinton’s son in law is a Goldman Sachs Wall Street man. as if Clinton, Bill or Hillary were anything but part of the Elites. the Elites initially just didn’t like the Clintons. the public had to sit through 8 years of Media attacks, which should have made Americans lap up the Clintons for being “attacked” and pilloried endlessly, day after day after day for 8 years. after all it/the Elites” are a club, and Rednecks like Bill had to force their way into Membership. Whitewater, Vince Foster and Monica Lewinsky were the entrance fees the Clintons paid to be a member. we have seen how the Clintons sold out for money.

watching Clinton sell Democrats out, like Obama did, will hasten the election of a Republican. when the time is right, after the “lesser evils” have prepared/dumbed down/trashed whatever difference there was between the Demo/Republican Party, a Republican will be “safe” enough to be appointed/elected President. and make the transition into an “officially declared corporatocracy” or”inverted totalitarianism,” from Chris Hedges vocabulary, easier, than it would be today.

Obama was the first “black” president, Hillary will be the first woman. it will still be run by the Money Elites, like those that Hillary bowed down to in her obeisance to Richard Scaife Mellon. Money talks in America, as well as runs the whole Banana Republic.

the Middle East and the rest of the World will pay dearly with Hillary as President. Pushing that “red” button at 3 am in the morning, as Hillary has said, before in questions about bombing Iraq, is not an issue for her. never question a power crazed American. Americans are Exceptional, that is the American Dream. Hillary is just another Politically empowered Warmonger who enjoys killing. just like Obama, Bush, Reagan, Bill and the rest. the little people had better scurry away for any safe refuge once Hillary is elected.

and Hillary will be elected. Trump is too much of an independent idiot to be that much of a tool to be allowed to be elected. Trump boasts like a rich fool always does. Hillary is premeditated, prepared and extremely dangerous. Just the right type the Elites need to keep things the way they are. of course, we could vote Trump in to “help” jump start the decline Hillary is part of.

Part of the problem with the current “left” is a desire to make nice instead of punishing the assholes who got us here.

That would be yourselves.

However what it soon being Christmas and in the interests of good cheer. I’ll help you get started. I’ll arrange some people from Opus Dei to visit you in your homes to make sure you’re self-flagellating properly. I’m sure that in the spirit of Christmas they’ll even donate the whips and hairshirts.

mfi

Directed at Ian’s last comment;

What researchers discovered was surprising: Those who are described as “agreeable, conscientious personalities” are more likely to follow orders and deliver electric shocks that they believe can harm innocent people, while “more contrarian, less agreeable personalities” are more likely to refuse to hurt others…during the experiment, a distinct pattern emerged: People who were normally friendly followed orders because they didn’t want to upset others, while those who were described as unfriendly stuck up for themselves.

“The irony is that a personality disposition normally seen as antisocial — disagreeableness — may actually be linked to ‘pro-social’ behavior…This connection seems to arise from a willingness to sacrifice one’s popularity a bit to act in a moral and just way toward other people, animals or the environment at large. Popularity, in the end, may be more a sign of social graces and perhaps a desire to fit in than any kind of moral superiority.”

…One particular group held steady and refused destructive orders: “women who had previously participated in rebellious political activism such as strikes or occupying a factory…it turns out nice people just want to appease authorities, while rebels stick to their guns.

http://mic.com/articles/92479/psychologists-have-uncovered-a-troubling-feature-of-people-who-seem-nice-all-the-time#.MI4OrUxfs

For me, it’s all about stopping Trump, who I believe will be the Republican nominee, and who has a good shot at being President, particularly if he gets a little help from ISIS.

Love Bernie, but he can’t get much traction beyond a narrow demographic, and as others have said, he’s too old, and pay close attention to his Veep. The right has spent thirty years demonizing socialism, and so his policies will likely go nowhere.

Trump channels Mussolini, and will “Make America Great Again” by getting us to set aside the Constitution (what’s left of it) for “awhile”, so he can become the dictator he embodies in the business world. ISIS or a collapse of the dollar are possible crises that could be the catalyst for this setting aside of what’s left of the rule of law. Our system is so gridlocked and the public is so clamoring for change, and for a strong man like Trump to blow it all up. Once he’s in, that’s it for the Republic.

Just as Hitler created “the German Miracle” in the middle of the Depression, and Mussolini was wildly popular, so will the Donald be, if he can bust through the logjam and make some needed changes in America, such as single payer, universal health care. It wouldn’t surprise me if he pulled this out of his hat in the final stretch of his campaign.

Trump may be a know nothing, but he will run rings around a calculating, past-her-shelf-life politician like Hillary in any debate, in terms of scoring points with the audience.

I met Hillary briefly, back in ’92 when she, Bill, and the Gores were doing a bus tour thru the northeast. She doesn’t strike me as particularly evil, just not terribly gifted. “A conservative politician with bad judgment” is apt. Unlike her husband, she has a tin ear for politics, who’s made me cringe from time to time with her decisions. And I swear that electrifying look in her eyes makes me wonder what kind of drugs she’s on. Medicate for Success?

Just as Obama was an eight year respite from neocon madness, I look at Mrs Clinton as the only thing preventing a President Trump. I need time to pack my bags.

@ alyosha December 23, 2015

Obama was an eight year respite from neocon madness

He was? Regime change in Libya (orchestrated by his administration). The appalling Ukraine imbroglio (orchestrated and fomented directly by his administration). The leading role his government has played and continues to play in the Syrian rebellion. The on-going American military disaster in Afghanistan.

Then there’s his administration’s determined efforts to ram through such disastrous “free trade” agreements as TTIP and TPP. When it comes to domestic policy he and his administration have gone out of their way to continue his predecessor’s ruthless stripping of the assets and opportunities of everyone except the very wealthiest segments of American society. While his administration’s ruthless determination to hound whistleblowers and to seek the maximum possible penalties against them epitomise the continuing efforts to prostitute your country’s legal system to the desires of the security apparat.

Obama is worse than Bush much worse because his administration is both more competent and more effective at slipping through policies that are, quite frankly, evil.

Hilary would be more of the same but worse as, unlike Trump, she has support in both houses of your legislature.

Have you forgotten how much of the current decay of your country can be attributed directly to the policies implemented during her husband’s administration with her enthusiastic support?

As somebody who wants to see your country drastically and permanently weakened I hope she becomes your president.

mfi

@markfromireland – you certainly make some good points. Obama likes to kill people, particularly via drones, he’s a lot more efficient about it than his predecessor.

Given the choice between the completely delusional right wing in this country – with its fantasies about how America would be/should be received overseas, it’s childish incomprehension of its own shadow and evil, its denial about science and reality in general, its open destruction of democracy in this country – versus a competent technocrat like Obama who at least is grounded in reality and recognizes limits – I’ll take the latter evil. I know that my blood pressure and my quality of sleep improved after Bush /Cheney left.

It’s an argument we’ve had a lot on these pages: which evil is worse, the kind that is openly evil or the kind that is less obviously so, and masquerades as good, occasionally doing good.

Trump is simply taking the piss. Scary ideologues very seldom start out as upper-class fops like Trump.

They also usually are fairly consistent in their fanaticism, while Trump never displayed these Andrew Dice Clay proclivities in his 2000 Presidential bid or indeed at any time until the last few months.

He’s filling the scarecrow role in this election that Palin had in 2008.

“As somebody who wants to see your country drastically and permanently weakened I hope she becomes your president.”–MFI

I’m curious, Mark–what do you think would replace the USA if it were drastically and permanently weakened, which I agree is at least possible?

“Be careful what you ask for…” and all that.

@MFI: I should have been more specific–what do you think would replace the USA in world affairs if the USA took a nose dive?

After all, the British Empire was an exploitive and often brutal thing, but its permanent decline after WW1 left room for Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, and the Soviet Union to emerge.

The global capitalist apparatus which uses my country’s government as its murder weapon (Capital is Palpatine; Uncle Sam is merely Darth Vader) is a gang of loathsome criminals, but are you sure that gang would be replaced by something better, or are you just so sick of the current gang of criminals that you’re willing to gamble?

It’s real simple. A vote for any Democrat or any Republican is a vote for more of the same.

Democrats and Republicans are not greater and lesser evils. They are complementary ones. They work together, and they very much do not work for you. If a candidate can not give you positive and substantive reasons for voting for him/her, then they don’t want your vote, and you should not give it to them. And by the way, not being the other guy is neither a positive nor a substantive reason for anything.

Hillary Clinton is a neoliberal on economic matters and a neoconservative on foreign affairs. A more toxic combination is not imaginable. In foreign affairs, she lines up neatly with both Nixon and Reagan. On the economy, I would say she is to the right of Nixon and in line with Reagan. I find it interesting that the one word which typifies the Clinton approach to politics, triangulation, is never used around her. But it is how she could vote for the Iraq war and support it for 12 years. It wasn’t because it was based on a mountain of lies or, as a preventive war (quaintly renamed wars of choice), it was a war crime. No, it wasn’t any of that. It was her assertion that she could have done it better. So she wasn’t technically with the Bush Administration on the war. Nor was she with the war’s opponents. That was the triangle. And when Obama finally left Iraq (on Bush’s timetable and only after last minute efforts to stay fell through) and support, any support, for the war, became political poison, then and only then and with another White House run in the works did Hillary come out against the war. And that too was typically Clintonesque: brief with no admittance of bad judgment on her part, and once done never to be brought up or discussed again.

You can see much the same process going on with her positioning on the TPP. She was for it (“It’s the gold standard”) and then she was against it –as is. In other words, she is not against the idea of the TPP, only this one, and that only because she thinks she could do it better. Δ

You don’t get to be Senator for New York without first being the Senator for Wall Street. You don’t get to rake in a hundred million dollars in “speaking fees” and multiples of that more through a “foundation” without being owned by the rich. So how can you triangulate that? You balance it by putting forward some very moderate tax the rich proposals which you know will be killed in Congress. And this is what Clinton has done.

But back to my original point. If someone offers you the choice between two shit sandwiches, are you really going to consider, or care, which is the less shitty? And if you do, what the hell is the matter with you?

@ Hugh
December 23, 2015

Touche’
Ef the lot of them.

Shorter Ivory Bill: Two horses, same owner.

Meri Kurisamasu!

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(By the way, and separately . . . “Meri Kurisamasu” reminds me of a trip to San Francisco once and a visit to the Golden Gate Bridge . . . near the SF-side entrance of which was a little store oriented to Japanese tourists called “Gifuto Shoppu”. If I would have had the time, I would have gone in there just to see.
http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/golden-gate-bridge-gift-center-san-francisco?select=cTxtzNGa_YF1X1dvKag_Sg

Now to shift gears completely from my last post–

The Story of the Other Wise Man, by Henry Van Dyke. A Christmas classic from 1895.