The Terror of Liberals in a Time of Insurrection

(Apologies for a dissenting opinion), the events in question are preparing us for to go through a period of democratism:

Democratism is an ideology based on the premise that the individual’s loyalty and devotion to democracy surpass other individual or group interests and separates the civilized superior people like us from the interior people like them.

This should make us blind to impoverishment, degradation of our economy and never ending death from COVID-19. Our belief and devotion to democratism will increase in the proportion to our rising destitution. The US can hardly afford the military bases, giant aircraft carriers and interventionist foreign policy. The tech war with China is essentially over for the time being, and we lost. The Wall Street and big box and online retailers are working for China. The US agriculture and residual industry are working for China: US exports of goods to China hit an all time high in Nov 2020! If you are not trading with or in China, you are losing.

The election was stolen though

No, it was not, and the fact that you continue to push this lie is disgusting.

Trump lost a free and fair election, and his cultists simply cannot accept that fact.

By the way, for anyone interested in the actual facts of the election, this is a good link that runs down all the court cases Trump and his supporters have lost:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-lawsuits-election-results-2020-11

Now Thomas and the other right-wing trolls who post here will try to lie and gaslight you by saying that all of those cases were thrown out without courts ever examining the evidence, but you can clearly see from the information provided that many, many courts did, in fact, examine the evidence presented, and dozens of judges, including Republicans, including people Trump himself appointed, concluded that there was no evidence of fraud.

Which should really tell you something about the quality of the supposed “evidence” that there was.

The US has a low grade insurrection/civil war now. It is approaching developing the necessary conditions to have a Rwandan or Cambodian style genocide.

It is clear that the right us in the “very big lie” stage. It has been here before. Partially because there are two big threats to their existence. One is the liberals that want everyone to have decent care and opportunity. As opposed to guns and order. The other is people like themselves but different in some notable fashion. People who want a piece of the action. There is a large section of the population that are both: but not all.

One large thing you have to do is remember that the Democratic Party is conservative. The Republicans are Reactionary, think LaPen in France, UKIP in England or AfD in Germany.

Regarding “Q” — whose presence was featured almost above Trump’s during the Capitol Dustup:

I first encountered a few posts attributed to “Q” a number of years ago, and I thought “This is baby-talk. It’s ridiculous.” Maybe it was Scott Adams, I don’t recall, who clued me to the idea that this “baby talk” was very high level psychological and emotional manipulation — which, later, Trump would employ effectively — that was at root a form of hypnosis. I wasn’t aware that you could hypnotize someone with the written word, but then… of course you can. What is devotion to the Bible, Koran, the Torah, or even the Constitution after all? The written word, just by the fact that it is written down, can have enormous power, and that power can be used hypnotically.

At any rate, listening to the “Q” devotees hold forth at the Capitol, it was amazing how effective the hypnotic chants of “Q” have been over the years this entity has been in business. It’s not so much that they believe in baby-eating pedophile rings running Our Government — although I assume they do — it’s that they are so convinced they are right about everything and that they are doing God’s Work to overthrow and destroy “X” — the designated Other, call them what you will — at the command of “Q” through Trump, His Prophet and Executioner.

Hm. Watching them at work in the Capitol, it was no different than watching a lynch mob. They were hunting victims to string up, chop up, destroy for their Lord and Saviour, and the only things they could find were Capitol police.

It was a demonstration of how effective hypnotic control can be, and I think lessons have already been learned. “Q” set a right-wing mob in motion, but the same techniques and even the same entity could easily create a leftish mob, no? And why not?

Having the Lower Orders fight one another was always endlessly entertaining to the original “Q” in the Star Trek series, was it not? Most amusing was seeing how easy it was to get them to do it. Heh.

Meanwhile, a process note: Senators and Representatives cannot be impeached and removed. They can be expelled by their peers, but for the most part the People have no direct control over them once elected. This is why so many of them become so Bad once in office.

Welcome to the Hell you imposed on other countries America. I didn’t want this to happen, even though, honestly, as a country America deserves it (though yes, many individual Americans don’t). Perhaps, instead of letting terror drive you to be even greater monsters, you might learn from this.

There will be no learning from this. Only leading and uncritically following into the abyss. There’s a lot of blame to go around and many are culpable to varying degrees for the predicament with which we’re faced, with a few highly culpable to a significant degree.

For all those who aren’t Americans, an America unraveling is a very dangerous thing indeed for all inhabitants of this barely living planet. Don’t celebrate it and cheer it on as though you’re immune from the fallout and consequences of it. An unraveling America may mean the end of humanity if the result is a global nuclear conflagration.

https://furry.substack.com/p/the-pandemic-bowl

Donald Trump was the knife in America. The final straw that broke its failing ailing back. America was ripe for collapse. It just needed the right symbolic figurehead, in this case the turmeric-soaked carnival-barking narcissistic clown by the name of McDonald Trump, to blow the termite-riddled house of cards down. And blow it down he did, what with all that tweeterific hot air endlessly bellowing up and out of his putrefied flatulent leaky gut.

Glenn Greenblatt’s latest article reflects a lot of truth. America’s wealthy elite, its oligarchy, gave us Donald Trump. He was their inevitable conclusion to their interminable insatiable corruption. What I don’t agree with is Greenblatt’s implied and implicit pardon of McDonald. Orange Man is worse than bad and just because he was the inevitable conclusion of pervasive endemic epidemic oligarchical corruption, doesn’t mean he is any less guilty and therefore somehow deserves exoneration rather than scorn and derision and judicial payback for his wrongdoings up to and including the murder of nearly 350,000 Americans and counting.

If you have the funds, now is a good time to invest in home scale water collection and off grid electrical generation system, add a wood burning stove for backup home heating, and figure out passive cooling options. It can be as little as having a few dozen filled water jugs in the basement and some iodine tablets. The softest targets will be utilities and logistics infrastructure. So you can live in a “safe” location but lose power, water, and reliable access to gasoline. If you have kids living at home, think about what you’d need to home school then without the help of Internet.

After that, maybe metal bars on windows and strengthening/metal doors. It’s universal in “3rd world countries” for a reason. Since we are living in one for all practical purposes, might as well protect yourself for it.

Different Clue suggested Survival Saturday on this blog and I’d definitely would like that. The prepped blogs (including what the former The Archdruid Report and Orlov Report) has devolved into echo chambers of confirmation biases and unnecessary theorizing. NC’s latest hissy fit show they are still in denial about how bad bad can be. This would be a nice space to have relatively rational discussions of what surviving a collapse might entail.

Hope we all enjoyed our last election. The future now is hard to predict beyond that it will be grim. (With a large dose of bitter irony, given Ian’s point about how the empire is coming home.) there’s very little any of us can do to prepare for the fall, partly because the contours of it are difficult to predict. The right’s mad max fantasy is just that; it’s not what failed states look like … particularly failed, developed states. Absolutely it will be violent, but where government falls, organized crime fills the void.

It is not at all a contradiction in terms to note that Trump in fact lost the 2020 election and at the same time a large swathe of the citizenry are seething with white hot rage.

Trump ran as a populist in 2016, the sort who said some things that were asinine, and others were prescient in, the the sense of someone pointing out that the Emperor is buck naked sort of way.

Once in office, Trump governed as a particularly weak, unfocused and dysfunctional republican. Even then, he probably would have won, but for the epically clownish response to the COVID. The irony is that the coronavirus gave Trump a golden opportunity to look and act presidential, and he blew it.

“Do any readers here have any thoughts on how to make those preparations?”
– different clue

Well…. technically it’s never too late to become a bit more secure and a bit more self-sufficient but it’s going to be harder to start now of all times.

First, start with a budget because prepping can be a bottomless pit.

Second, try to target the following categories: food, water, shelter, security, medicine, and community.

Third, do what you can do immediately and try to tackle larger more expensive problems gradually. For example, maybe you can’t afford a firearm and ammo right this minute but you might be able to afford a strike plate for your doors and a few inexpensive alarms. Also, maybe you can’t build a 6 month pantry now but you might be able to make a 30 day pantry.

https://gen.medium.com/i-lived-through-collapse-america-is-already-there-ba1e4b54c5fc

“The real question is, who are you? I mean, you’re reading this. You have the leisure to ponder American collapse like it’s even a question. The people really experiencing it already know.

As someone who’s already experienced societal breakdown, here’s the truth: America has already collapsed. What you’re feeling is exactly how it feels. It’s Saturday and you’re thinking about food while the world is on fire. This is normal. This is life during collapse.”

It’s a tale as old as time: the guilty flee though none pursue. They are guilty of heinous crimes, they know it, they know we know it, and are terrified of a righteous retribution against themselves.

Also it’s their Reichstag Fire. Their performative wailing about the desecration of their hallowed halls of corruption and graft gives them cover (as they think) in the transition from soft to hard tyranny.

Trump on Trump inciting a mob to insurrection:

“They’ve analyzed my speech and my words and my final paragraph, my final sentence, and everybody, to the T, thought it was totally appropriate”

When Trump says “everyone” knows, thinks something, it is one of the tells he’s lying.

Yes, America has already collapsed, or is collapsing as we type. Most don’t know it or care to know it. China won the Pandemic Bowl with a shut out of the Americans.

https://furry.substack.com/p/the-pandemic-bowl

Fear is driving the reaction. Most Americans have heard all their lives that they are free and democratic. We heard it at school, we watch TV and radio that repeats it, and our politicians tell us so all the time. Most Americans have never been outside the U.S. and most who have were on shepherded tours, never seeing the place or encountering the residents on their own.

So what’s out there? Oppression! Lack of freedom! Bad men (it’s virtually always men) will run your life. The attempt in Washington is like the Nazis who will set up domestic spying and ship all good people off to concentration camps!

From the view of the political class, what failed was the propaganda that kept most Americans from knowing that they live in a failing state, on its was to becoming a third world nation if not there already. So now they’re trying to figure out how to get ahead of the potential insurrectionists that might come after them without granting more self-determination to residents. My guess is that they’ll double down on more and harsher surveillance, and make the police state more visible. Unfortunately, I think that will work a little longer.

NR, your “didn’t happen lol” and a weak link may or may not be the best you’ve got. Regardless, there’s no deboonking the basic facts of the fraud, which unfolded in real time with the whole world watching. If the same sequence of events happened in Russia to elect Putin, you yourself, as we all know, would take them as prima facie fraud.

As far as the court cases: here is what we’ve learned: “standing” means you can’t sue before you’ve been harmed; “laches” means you can’t sue after you’ve been harmed. Anyway it’s not really the courts’ job to decide the election.

I suggest you’re a bit slow on the uptake — your betters in the Inner Party, whom you will soon be aping, have never bothered to try and persuade anyone of the legitimacy of their fake election. Anyone who questions the election is a terrorist, don’t you know? Yes, 280% of the population voted — got a problem with that? Treason never prospers.

It’s funny how it’s taboo to point out that Trump, his followers, and the Republican party are fascist. It’s like there is this myth that we were all vaccinated against fascism so it can’t happen here. –Except fascism is not only alive and well in America but enthusiastically backed by a significant minority.

Thanks to BOO for letting us know what the latest lines are from this minority. Seems like their insurrection was divine retribution, couched in semi-biblical language. And the election was stolen, recycling for the millionth time more of their debunked lies about it. So just doing God’s work. You got a problem with that??

According to Blizzard, a source that completely disproves the lies he’s parroting is a “weak link.” Good insight into the mindset of the American right.

Anyway, the basic facts of the fraud are that there was no fraud. Trump and his lackeys screaming “FRAUD!!!!” over and over and over again doesn’t mean it actually happened, it just means that Dear Leader is a malignant narcissist who can’t admit he lost, and his followers have invested so much of their identity in him that they’re willing to go along with whatever he says.

They had their chance to prove their claims, and many different courts looked at the evidence and found it didn’t support what they were saying. So all they’re left with is repeating lies that have already been debunked. So far, five people are dead because of their lies, and the only question is how many more will follow.

File Under: Hugh, Daily-Deceptions

“It’s funny how it’s taboo to point out that Trump, his followers, and the Republican party are fascist.” – Hugh

For fuck’s sake Hugh, you accuse Trump/Trump-voters/”won’t-vote-Blue-no-matter-who”/and-anybody-else-who-disagrees-with-you as fascist at least ten times a day, often in one thread.

Taboo? WTF Hugh, it’s the majority of your posts, no wonder your blog was such an abject failure…and why you need to bring your unthoughtful commentary here.

different clue,

First your welcome, and second I will post something a bit more specific for prepping in the next open thread.

Keep in mind that even when armed with useful tips much of this is going to come down to trial and error. What should have worked for me often didn’t either due to limits in my time, skill, finances, or patience.

Different Clue, Glass hammer, Joan, and hopefully others,

(Now feeling ashamed of my recent mud slinging).

A regular informal discussion on surviving physically, economically, and mentally would be great. Ian has some wonderful essays on this topic already. I’m going to check if he’s willing to perhaps republish them on Saturdays and we can use them as a jumping off point towards discussions.

Thank you, Ian, for letting me (also in Canada) know that I am not alone in being puzzled by the extreme reaction with the event itself. The riot was bad, of course: but it was also predictable, and predicted. The biggest surprise is that it took so long. I expected violence in the streets back in November. When it didn’t happen, I just shrugged and figured maybe I was wrong.

The riot didn’t tell us anything new. It has been obvious for a long time now what direction the U.S. has been going in. I see the most likely outcomes as chaos or police state (Chinese social credit-style). “Progress” in that direction is expected, not shocking. Of course it’s upsetting too. like many others, the Reichstag fire was my first thought.

I am not fully convinced by your hypothesis that the reaction is due to the shocking realization that the ruling class is not immune. I listened to Sam Harris, for example, who sees this as an attempt to capture congressfolk and possibly assassinate them in a full-on attempted coup. I don’t find that persuasive. Real power in the United States is not embodied in congresscritters or in their neoclassical habitat. You can’t “capture” the government. If you could, even Trump, in his mindless way, could have done it. Instead he is locked out and silenced by monopoly tech.

Most of the protest looked to me indistinguishable from the mob that gathers after a major sports victory. Certainly there were sinister elements within it (zip tie guy is always mentioned), and that’s serious, but that doesn’t seem to me to be what the mass of people were there for.

But you certainly could be right. These people have been beyond clueless before. (I think of Pelosi and her stash of quarantine ice cream.) They may be oblivious to calls since 2008 for them to be strung from lamp posts. (Not by me. I want systems fixed. I think bloodlust corrupts, and I get no pleasure from the suffering of the guilty. I can’t even be bothered to hate the likes of Trump, Biden, Clinton, or Bush.) The Hamptons, as someone said, are not a defensible position. If they’re only now figuring that out, their reaction makes sense.

I think GlassHammer has some good points, but I’m not sure they are incompatible. Yes, there is anger and a desire for revenge. Yes, there is a late-empire problem of insufficient spoils. And no, they don’t seem to be acting with the decisiveness one would expect of the truly afraid – but when have they ever? People think and behave in contradictory ways. The ruling class are no more inherently rational than the rest of the population, and look at the range of reactions to covid, or the bizarre cults of the mainstream media and the QAnons. I think fear must at least be part of the story.

From “Trump sends SHOCKWAVE to Pelosi with B0omshell ‘reconnection’ with Pence”, on youtube, the following timeline is presented, which, it is claimed, has been confirmed by others, including the NY Times:

12:15 – 12:50
* Trump tells rally attendees to walk to capitol
* group already gathered along west perimeter gets agitated
* pipe bombs reported at RNC, DNC

12:53 – 1:03
* crowd starts to harass officers
* crowd overwhelms officers
* pelosi begins electoral college vote

1:12 – 2:00
* trump ends speech, tells attendees to “walk down pennsylvania avenue” to capitol
* rioters already there continue to clash with officers

2:11 – 2:16
* rioters break into capitol building
* senate called into recess

Apparently, nobody present at the speech could walk to the capitol fast enough to have participated in the “storming” the capitol

Most of the protest looked to me indistinguishable from the mob that gathers after a major sports victory.

Well, except the team being celebrated is the New York Nazis. And that most of the fans seem like the same kind of Christians who would’ve volunteered to fight the Nazis of old. And how did Japan so ‘successfully’ lose it’s empire? History is full of national revival/renewal.

The further away from the capitol the more ‘normal’ individuals within the mob seemed to be, based on videos and interviews. And wealthier. There were many well-to-dos in that crowd. I didn’t see a single “patriot” fascist telling us how they’d been screwed over economically by those corrupt elites, but that socialism and marxism were the enemy.

The FBI admits that they knew.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/12/us/capitol-riot-trump

While there are many possibilities one thing is clear: many people knew and decided to let things play out. Who knew is an open question.

Yes, metamars, thank goodness, smart phones were only invented since last Wednesday so nobody could have listened to Trump’s speech unless they were there. Better lies, please.

Why did the authorities let this play out?

There are many small time Youtubers, bloggers, and organizations which have been documenting the many online discussions these people have been having with each other on the dark web and places like Parlor, 8chan and Facebook. And then the hundreds of self-incriminating “patriot” videos.

I’m disappointed that our horned Q shaman hero didn’t take one for the team and claim to be an antifa double agent.

I’m interested in what’ll pan out from various official “Where the hell was the security?” investigations. I’m also interested in what our daily nutjobs will find in their fantastical “investigations”.

Z, in all the videos I saw attendees said congress is the enemy because they’re socialists and RINOs who don’t believe in giving Trump his “presidency”.

This is a long ways from progressives fighting for the working class. I’m a bit concerned that congress has had its own “touch the stove” moment and will ensure they’re better secured against the more deserved revolutions.

@Astrid,

If Ian Welsh decides to do that, it could be a very good thing. If not, then using the Open Thread he gives us here as a “Saturday Survival” opportunity could still be good, if he decides to allow it to start and then continue.

And even if special articles are reprinted, perhaps “Survival Saturday” open thread might still be a good place to give information/sources/links which are not directly alluded to or given-an-opportunity-for on any special articles which may be reprinted.

Willy,

To many right wingers, socialism is when the other guy gets some. As far as themselves are concerned, they earned it.

Z

@hugh

I told no lie.

Reading comprehension is key.

@everybody

George Webb was on the ground, interviewed a bunch of people. That video was deleted by youtube, but as of 3 hours ago, you could still listen to “G.W. and McDuff are LIVE” on the McDuff_2020 youtube channel. Webb also goes into likely special operations types, and their highly suspicious activities, including coordinated doffing of orange hats.

The “Crossroads with JOSHUA PHILIPP” youtube channel has a video “Analysis of Ashli Babbit Video Suggests Coordinated Actions—Interview W. Masako Ganaha | Crossroads”

What I find most amazing in her video is not what she focusses on (including an identified antifa guy that told everybody Babbitt was dead, when he couldn’t have known that; this dude ended up on CNN; echoes of the phony blue helmet dudes in Syria…). What convinced me even more that this was staged is that the door window that a couple of the rioters were vandalizing was, just prior to their doing so, being protected by 3 of the police officers. It doesn’t show in their video, but they obviously stepped aside to let the punks do their thing.

What was it, coffee break time, for them? Were they intimidated by the passion of guys smaller than them, plus the many people who were there, just filming?

THE BEHAVIOR OF COPS AND SWAT GUYS WAS BOTH LAUGHABLE AND CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT, AT THE SAME TIME, WHETHER OR NOT THE ‘SHOOTING’ OF BABBIT IS ALSO STAGED. THE MORE I LOOK AT THIS, THE MORE PHONY THE WHOLE SETUP LOOKS.

But I’m open to the possibility that Jordan Klepper had placed an exploding device in her neck which would explode at that exact moment. He was there. He is probably antifa. I really think so. After all that MAGA mocking he’s been doing lately.

I’m among the early adopters (many years ago) of the idea that our elections are fucked up messes, international bad jokes, and grossly mismanaged exercises in futility. And they are.

I rarely agree with “Lambert” on much, but his notion that the only way to ensure election integrity is “hand marked paper ballots, hand counted in public” is close to right. But it’s not perfect. I’ve seen how that can fail as well. But more high-tech is not the answer.

Ironically, in 2020-21 elections there were more hand marked paper ballots hand counted in public than ever before thanks to the covid absentee and mail ballots and the many audits and recounts. And there were also intense and partially successful efforts at voter suppression particularly in states with Republican-controlled legislatures. This is what they do. Limit the franchise, and especially limit the ability to exercise the vote.

As Trump has said, if you throw out all the “illegal” votes (by his sole definition, not the law, not the election officials’, not the legislatures’, not the courts’) he wins by a landslide. Ipso facto. QED.

There was very little discoverable fraud, very few errors, no evidence at all that the “election was rigged.” Ergo, the endless Trumpie whining about the election got nowhere except becoming a brain worm for his fans.

In some ways, that’s a shame because our elections are still an unacceptable mess and an international embarrassment.

Only now they are almost guaranteed to get worse, not better.

Here is the full scan of the original and official statement that’s just issued today by the US military issued today — including signatures of the top commanders from each of the ALL branches of the military:

https://i.imgur.com/CUHiUgW.jpg

Well the Generals spoke, they can’t speak for the rank and file. And frankly they should all be relieved of command for putting this out as it amounts to a political statement.

These men are upset that Trump wound down the wars and kept them from starting new ones.

If Biden the Usurper wants to reinstate them, fine, but they wasted the lives of America’s youth in pointless wars and denied Flint and other cities safe drinking water, killing thousands more. Fuck them.

As it is, the Republican Party is now going to be free of Big Corporate Money (as they align with the Democrats), and then become a true populist party as they primary out the Establishment Republicans in 22, and go after the Lincoln Project, Federalist Society, Neocons, et al and remove them from polite society and from judgeships.

Antifa is already gearing up to fight the Biden Administration who they view as easier to overthrow than Trump. Which shows how stupid they are, but whatever.

That being said, Gab is growing exponentially, suffering crashes, but is basically immune to Deplatforming as it uses blockchain and open source code. Parler is suing the shit out of Amazon at the moment and Twitter and Facebook are imploding as Trump was their business, and by banning him, his followers went to their competitors and World Governments turned on them.

The Left is eating itself alive in wokeness while the Right is purging the bad elements, going open source and shedding Corporate Money. Trump for all his faults through sheer incompetence has shattered the Establishment and they don’t realize it yet.

I find Thomas G. educational.

He’s a relative moderate, by the way. Check out some of the 700-plus comments here …

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/01/12/vp-mike-pence-rejects-speaker-pelosi-request-for-25th-amendment-against-president-trump/#comments

Actually, Biden has more military rank-and-file support than Trump does.

The annual polls showed that active-duty personnel actually preferred Biden over Trump:

“…nearly half of respondents (49.9 percent) had an unfavorable view of the president, compared to about 38 percent who had a favorable view. Questions in the poll had a margin of error of up to 2 percent.”

“42 percent said they “strongly” disapprove of Trump’s time in office.”

“Among active-duty service members surveyed in the poll, 41 percent said they would vote for Biden, the Democratic nominee… only 37 percent said they plan to vote to re-elect Trump.”

Source: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/

“Younger veterans were also more likely to support Biden than Trump, according to October polling. Of veterans ages 34 to 54, Biden was favored by 51 percent and Trump by 40 percent. By comparison, only 38 percent of older veterans (age 55 and older) favored Biden, compared to 59 percent support for Trump. That is also consistent with trends among young voters at large, who overwhelmingly supported Biden over Trump this year.”

Source: https://nowthisnews.com/news/veterans-showed-up-for-biden-this-year-and-trump-wants-to-dump-military-ballots

As for the actual military ballots on election days, Republican poll watchers observed and complained that:

“I did find it odd that, throughout the day/night, I saw a few dozen military ballots be counted,” a certified poll watcher said in his statement dated November 4. “Although I cannot provide specific numbers or names, I can estimate that at least 80% of the military ballots I saw were straight ticket Democrat or simply had Joe Biden’s name filled in on them.”

Link: https://www.businessinsider.com/military-veteran-vote-joe-biden-trump-lawsuit-2020-11

So, it is really not just the “generals” who do NOT support Trump.

Personal anecdote:

A lot of my wife’s siblings (but not herself) and extended family members were in the military, (i.e., mostly in the Navy, some in the Army, no Airforce😔) and almost all of them supported Biden over Trump. The rest, I don’t know because they did not tell me and I did not ask them. My wife’s younger sister also mentioned that a lot of their friends from in the Navy were voting for Biden. They are all rank-and-file veterans in their 20s and 30s. That was how I got the idea that the military would not support a coup for Trump.

Someone did not just seriously use a Dim Tool video as evidence. 😒

Here is all everyone needs to know about Dim Tool: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tim_Pool

Just how out of touch with reality is Tim Pool?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_euj2ERUJk 😂 🤣 😂

KT Chong:

I could say the same about you, but I hear people carefully in full and judge on the merits. You obviously don’t. Tim Pool sits the middle, because he realizes he has biases and it is best not to go off halfcocked and get burned, and that is a good thing. Wish more people would do that.

As for the military, the polls were utterly wrong and given how rigged all this was, no ballot can be trusted till a full audit can be done. And the ballots you cite were the ones they refused signature verification audits on and showed all indications of ballot stuffing. Judge ruled no standing when the Trump Campaign moved for an audit.

You, Hugh, and NR are the useful fools the Establishment loves because you will blindly aid them in looting you blind. I say keep your hand on your wallet, but its already been stolen.

Also, pay attention to the group photo on Dim Tool’s RationalWiki page: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tim_Pool

I suppose Thomas Golladay also thinks Brittany Pettibone, James Allsup, and Baked Alaska are “in the center” and “socially liberal”.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Brittany_Pettibone

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/James_Allsup

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Baked_Alaska

The darkness hates the light.

While Trump isn’t fit to untie JFK’s shoes, he still cast some light into the current darkness. Enough to make real the Deep State and it’s extensive media collusion, in the minds of present day Americans. More recently, Trump has also woken up millions of Americans to vote and election fraud issues, in a way that Bev Harris and James M. Collier could not.*

While Trump has physically survived his Presidency, it’s an easy guess that the Deep State will try to continue erasing his status and aspirations from the public mind, while simultaneously trying to demoralize the public that had hope in him. In the case of JFK, the demoralization was easy, because of the assassination. As for erasing JFK’s status, from a poignant article by Mike Ruppert’s website, copvcia.com, “ANOTHER INSULT FROM BUSH AND THE PENTAGON NEO-CONS”:

This morning I decided to pay my respects to President and Mrs. Kennedy by doing something I don’t do very often in Washington – visit a memorial. I first noticed something amiss when I walked through the main gate to Arlington National Cemetery from Memorial Drive, the same causeway that, on November 25, 1963, bore President Kennedy’s horse-drawn coffin from Washington to be laid to final rest upon a hilltop overlooking the city. Roosevelt Drive, a pedestrian walk that pedestrians once took as the most direct route to the JFK Memorial was blocked by chain link fences and the iron gate was closed. Those wishing to visit the Kennedy gravesite were forced to walk over a mile out of their way, much of it uphill, to the site. For the old and infirm, the walk would have been too much. Taking the long route around to the JFK grave, it became apparent that other access routes near the memorial had also been closed, including Weeks Drive, a shortcut to Roosevelt Drive. There was no noticeable construction and the barricades prohibiting direct access to the Kennedy site were temporary in nature.

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As I walked away from President Kennedy’s grave site this morning – looking forward to another one mile detour around the normal direct access walkway – I pondered why the Pentagon and the White House would dishonor our 35th President in such a manner on the anniversary of his murder. But then the words of President Kennedy’s Inaugural Address on January 20, 1961 sprang to my mind: “In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility – I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavor will light our country and all who serve it-and the glow from that fire can truly light the world.”

Kennedy spoke of light. The Bushes speak of fear and gloom and they represent darkness. If he were alive today, Kennedy would agree that as with World War II and the Cold War, freedom is once again in its “hour of maximum danger” – a danger from within the United States, from within the country’s own institutions of government. By closing off the roads leading to Kennedy’s Eternal Flame, the Bush administration is once again showing its contempt for America’s traditions, its past. But as suggested in this article, the Kennedy assassination may be something the Bushes do not want that Eternal Flame to illuminate.

I’ll venture forth a guess that Trump’s future marginalization by the Deep State will mostly amount to a media brownout on him, after he leaves office, except to report, occasionally, on legal persecution of him. (Possibly, if he bends the knee sufficiently, he will be re-habilitated, and the lawsuits will go away.)

The marginalization of the MAGA movement is a tougher nut to crack, and I’ve seen warnings from a few quarters that widespread false flags, perpetrated by our lovely Deep State, can be expected at many state capitols and governor mansions.

* If he weren’t so incompetent, he would have LEAD Americans away from the Big Tech monopolies, from at least a year ago. And he would have LEAD an effort to give proper context to the vote/election fraud issues. Not only has he failed to educate Americans about the works of Bev Harris and Collier, he’s also failed to educate Americans about Democratic efforts to address voting systems that shouldn’t be trusted. (See Rush Holt, Tulsi Gabbard, Elizabeth Warren).

NL: Blog comment sections don’t work the way we wish they would. Thoughtful, fact-based comments are generally ignored, while inflammatory nonsense will produce gushers of equal nonsense.

Can we have a moment of silence please? The handsome debonaire tycoon Sheldon Adelbalm has passed from the realm. Cause of death is Trumpism.

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Oh yeah, Sheldon Adelson is ded.

Actually, the week since the attempted and failed coup on Capitol Hill has so far turned out to be a week full of winning for the left.

Stirling S Newberry,

I don’t think the hidden problems are racism and national vs. regional conflict.

Remember, in the 1970s the two parties gave two different pitches to the middle class once it was decided that de-industrialization was going to happen and workers were going to lose power. The Democrats said “Yeah de-industrialization is going to happen but you can work in the “knowledge economy” once you get a degree (with the help of student loans) and then you will become wealthy.” The Republicans said “Yeah de-industrialization is going to happen but we are going to cut taxes, safety nets, and remove all the things that made our rickety society function because those things are what keeps you from becoming wealthy.”

So now it’s 2008 and both sales pitches are shown to be untenable.
What do they do?

Well the Republicans said “Hey its non-Americans both internal and external to the country that are to blame so let’s keep them from messing things up either by expelling them or containment/restriction.” The Democrats said “Hey its those dummies/racists who won’t get with the program of college education and “knowledge economy” that are to blame so let’s keep them from messing things up either by expelling them or containment/restriction.”

So it’s 2021 and the last sales pitch didn’t work either.
What do they do?

Well it looks like the Republicans are saying “It is the Government itself that is to blame so let’s keep them from messing things up either by expelling them or containment/restriction.” And it’s looks like the Democrats are saying “It is those anti-government crazies that is to blame so let’s keep them from messing things up either by expelling them or containment/restriction.”

Speaking of de platforming, Thomas Golladay is starting to make your comments section unreadable.

Yesterday the Trumpers were loud and desperate. They are a lot quieter today. They don’t have a lot to work with. Trump is off his favorite social media, but he could still make a comprehensive statement addressing what happened on Jan. 6, even apologizing for any part he might have played in it. But this is the game we always get sucked into with Trump. Almost any of us can come up with ways that were available to Trump to reduce tensions and reduce the pressure to impeach. And we all know that Trump is completely incapable of doing any of them. Yesterday all Trump supporters got was a couple of terse, lame statements that everything he did was “appropriate.” Try to come up with any kind of rousing defense out of that. So what we have seen this morning in the House is a few Republicans trying to play a hand with no cards in it. Some procedural quibbles, offers of censure instead of impeachment, calls for a unity that Trumpists have never had a use for up to now. So Trump will be impeached again. And Republicans voting for it in the House will make it easier for Senators to convict. The odds of conviction are still low, but are improving. And if 20 Republican Senators decided not to show up for the vote, it would only take 54 to convict.

Stephen: You have my sympathies. Life on the internet must be very hard for those who haven’t learned the scroll. I guess that’s why so many on the so called left want trigger warnings on everything and welcome BigTech censorship, to make the world a safe space for them.

I don’t agree with most of what Thomas Golliday said, but I appreciate him sharing his information set even if I don’t agree with his sources or conclusions. He’s relatively well behaved and responds to critical comments in apparent good faith. This seems to be better conduct than some of his critics.

The word “Nazi” isn’t terribly meaningful when you’re talking about people who are likely to be funded, albeit covertly, by supporters of the Israeli apartheid state.

I haven’t bothered to read much about the alleged activities of the Capitol hill riot, but overall it seems significantly less violent and calculated than the coups that US, under both Republicans and Democrats, have supported abroad. It’s also not substantially different from what several state capitols have experienced for months. So your equating their actions as particularly being the pale and outside scope of internet based dialog is unconvincing.

Not every Trump supporter is a Nazi, but every Nazi in America is a Trump supporter.

Re: the problem of designing a replacement system for the broken one we have and why it is so difficult? The main problem is hierarchical organization. 2500 years ago, Plato tells us that fascism always follows democracy. Democracy is a band aid for hierarchical societies. In hierarchies there are always “betters” who never suffer during a famine in the way the little people suffer. Democracy is designed and imposed to ensure the elites suffer in other ways (we won’t vote for your fat posterior, you let us starve, you lose). Democracy is a system to ensure the elites are interested in what the little people think. We here in the US obviously do not live in a democracy, and haven’t for some time. Ian has mentioned this several times: the current system is set up so they never feel the effects of anything. That’s by design. We can all agree on this, at least.

After the “fall”, this cycle of organizing a “new” hierarchical society begins, then a famine hits or similar type of disaster where little people suffer or die, the elites won’t help, democracy is born, the elites answer to someone again, eventually the elites find a way to subvert democracy, a fascist arises, the elites fight amongst themselves, no one “wins”, and the whole cycle begins again. Every democracy (required because, ya know, hierarchy) is eventually subverted to again disconnect the elites from any feedback. Capitalism by its nature requires a hierarchy, reinforces hierarchical thinking (I have a late model car, and you don’t. I’m better, more important, than you). This is why this society is also so spiritually empty … without meaning to life beyond acquiring things which never, ever, fill the void … lather, rinse, repeat.

It’s almost impossible to imagine a society without a hierarchy, just as it is almost impossible to imagine a society in which women are treated as equals (and please don’t tell me we are.) We’ve only been allowed to vote for 100 years and to read for a few hundred more in Western culture.

So yes, it’s almost impossible to imagine a non-hierarchical, fully egalitarian society. Some of these societies still survive today, although they are in significant decline. They are usually referred to (by Western Europeans, Asians, etc.) as “savages”. They limit possessions, and personal ownership, which is the sticking point for greedy wannabe millionaires. And there is a very valid point whether such a cultural organization is even possible at current population levels.

Yet, the best possible scenario is still non-hierarchical, egalitarian, and democratic (by desire, not necessity).

The point being, don’t just “think globally, act locally” but “think long-term, act short-term”. And this thinking should be focused on what really matters: breaking this cycle. Then we can act in a way in which we might preserve such thinking.

I think of Dwight D Eisenhower, who famously said in his farewell address:

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.

Yet… a interstate highway system for military transport first and commerce second? The replacement of a democratically elected Guatemalan government with a dictatorship favorable to American fruit companies? Expensive Titan missile bases which went obsolete in two years?

Please explain Astrid.

Another 4,000 died from covid yesterday. We are up to 382,000 dead. We’ll be at 400,000 dead by Inauguration Day, a week away. Two impeachments, tens of thousands of lies, daily scandals and outrages, an insurrection, a greatly weakened country, and 400,000 dead: this is the Trump legacy.

Plato was anti-democratic. Socrates described by Plato favored ideally rule by a philosopher king or more practically an aristocracy. Socrates thought democracy would be followed by tyranny.

All your recounting of GOP and Trump supporter some would be meaningful if they deviate from substantially from the norm since 9/11. Otherwise it sounds to me (who has given up on both side of the uniparty and US’s ability to affect positive
change at home or abroad), like two groups of sports fans eagerly denigrating the other side as the worst people. Even on COVID, Trump is awful but not uniquely awful, as the performance of India, Brazil, UK, Sweden, etc shows. And remember that plenty died of AIDS under Fauci and Reagan/BushI. Your analysis would be more interesting if it didn’t just start and end with”orange man bad”.

@Stephen,

Somebody or other is making this comment section unreadable? Well, as Astrid said, God made a scroll button.

You all are outraged by essentially the same thing that Trumpers have been doing all of last summer against state capitols, which was bad but the national Democrats had no interest in condemning them or helping the state governors with their situation. They’re actions that could and should have been contained by proper policing, but wasn’t.

Meanwhile, Biden is signaling a great expansion of the surveillance state, which I find substantially more dangerous than a differently placed riot that you all had little problem with last summer.

For gods sake DMC, just because Trump cares nothing for Nazis doesn’t mean that he isn’t capable of using them for his own purposes.

Not every Trump supporter is a Nazi, but every Nazi in America is a Trump supporter.

It’s not exactly clear what to be a “Nazi” means nowadays, unless a cosplay enthusiast or an FBI agent, but … the costumed fatties behind Charlottesville (Richard Spencer et al) do not like Trump at all.

As we have been seeing for more than four years, Trump has no interest in consistency. Pursuing an outlandishly pro-Israel policy, on the one hand, and sucking up to anti-semitic white supremacists is kid stuff for him. I mean this is a guy who is supposed to be for the working man and whose only major accomplishment in office was a trillion dollar tax cut for the rich.

What Nazi means in modern day US is far from clear, both by people who might self identify as such (not sure they really exist outside prisons and biker gangs) and especially people on the internet calling the other side the argument Nazis.

I will note that Obama administration, with the support of the vast majority of national Democratic party politicians and chattering class, did support Ukrainian nationalists who espoused ideas pretty similar to Hitler’s original flavor. I’m sure Hugh and company wagged their fingers at some point at this action, but they continue to support the DNC team afterwards.

So again, I am not getting the difference of why one side is so monstrous and your side is regrettable but must be supported. I happen to think both sides are monstrous being redemption. I don’t have a solution (other than not have kids and enjoy the time i have the best I can) but I’m not going to pretend the solution is calling anonies on the internet Nazis.

“Nazi” is the adult term for “boogeyman”. To the people who use it most, it simply means monster. They don’t know enough history to understand what it is. It has been incorporated into mainstream propaganda because Nazis were the enemy in the last major war that the U.S. won. The story of that war carefully cuts out the Soviet Union which has a better claim to having won the war than the Western allies. Nazi has become shorthand for “someone the American rulers want to destroy”.

Willy, I never said he was incapable of using Nazis, just that he wasn’t really one himself. A reactionary populist nationalist certainly. That he got way too much money from Sheldon adelson to be considered anything like a Nazi. Of course there’s one group who’s all about the lebensraum for the Volk that he supports unhesitatingly.

Ah, well — there it is from the horse’s mouth. Nazi doesn’t mean things like totalitarian control of society, ideological suppression of speech, corporations and government working in lockstep, locking up your racial and ideological enemies in concentration camps. No, it just means who-whom: if you’re white, you’re a Nazi.

And Hugh, I know that truth burns your mouth and ears like acid, but Trump saying there were “good people on both sides in Charlottesville” is just the simple truth. Plenty of good people (probably most of them) oppose communist filth desecrating our historical monuments.

It’s obvious to me that these things are bad. What’s not so obvious to me is why you think your team is meaningfully different. And if they are not meaningfully different, why fixate on the one bad and support the other bad?

So what team do you think I’m on? Do you even care? I fixate on the “bad” because it’s gone way past being the more ruthless and street smart side. Steve Bannon correctly accused the DNC “of having pillow fights” while his side “goes for the head shot”. Did he even have to say that? Isn’t it common knowledge how “unity” and “conciliatory” the worthless DNC is? But that was yesterday. These days the GOP is trending into fascist territory with the DNC moving into their former “center right” position, because of “unity” and a little corporate donor coin I suppose.

I believe in loyal opposition, an intelligently loyal opposition. Devils advocates. I grow tired of brainwashed idiocy. Do you need me to point out examples, of this brainwashed idiocy of which I speak?

astrid – “As long as they’re not too disruptive, I like seeing comments from those with other opinions. I don’t agree with them, but they’re conveying views shared by many IRL. Knowledge about them learnt here helps me assess their sort in real life. And seeing self proclaimed progressives resort to ad hominems and suffering TDS meltdowns, while not recognizing that their team is pretty much just as bad, just rubs me the wrong way.”

Me too. These days I’m grateful to the crew at Rising for being an oasis with a format designed to moderate that kind of thing. I like hearing from Saagar who has contacts in Republican circles all over D.C. and I am glad that Krystal calls out Democrats like Hillary from the war crimes wing of the party.

But even before Rising showed up it had gotten to the point that I had the World Socialist and American Conservative websites bookmarked because I found important stories on both of them that were not getting talked about anywhere else. Since then, of course, Taibbi has become the go-to guy to explain what shifted in the media business model to cause the changes I had noticed in my own reading.

@someofparts,

If millions of militant backwardite stupidite MAGAtard virus-ridden corona-leper germ spreaders insist on spreading the disease as far and wide as they can with their No Mask Freedom rebellion, then it will be impossible to control the disease. Which is exactly what the MAGAtards hope to achieve, on purpose, so we can all join their Jonestown Trumpie Death Cult.

Now that I think about it, THAT may be the Insurgency that Ian Welsh was warning about. Millions of vicious evil MAGAtard plague spreaders spreading the corona virus around as hard and fast as possible, in hopes that some of it reaches and kills the objects of their hatred.

Let us pray that the MAGA mob at the capitol spread coronavid among all of themselves and let us hope that they all get coronavid and survive . . . with long tail covid for the rest of their incurably pain and misery racked lives.

And let us hope that the Mask Discipline States, working together with a Fed Gov which respects the Freedom of the MAGA Death Cultists to suffer and die alone by themselves, can at least stamp out the virus within their own territory.

I am not at all convinced that the Democrats are the lesser evil. Biden and his appointees speak to that. Maybe the more orderly evil, the better branded evil, the evil that lets people who claim to be good liberals sleep at night and stop paying attention to the evil perpetrated in their name. I prefer the ugliness of Trump and his followers, they let their ugliness and evilness hang out in the open, for all to see.

@Astrid,

” I will note that Obama administration, with the support of the vast majority of national Democratic party politicians and chattering class, did support Ukrainian nationalists who espoused ideas pretty similar to Hitler’s original flavor. I’m sure Hugh and company wagged their fingers at some point at this action, but they continue to support the DNC team afterwards.”

The thing I notice is that there were/are some people, including on these threads, who wag their fingers at those of us who don’t wag our fingers hard enough at Putin for saving East Ukrainians and Crimeans from the Hotsie Totsie Banderazi Nazis who were coming to kill them all.