Oh my, the wringing of hands over Trump saying he’d be willing to talk to Kim Jong Un.
Let’s get the disclaimers for idiots out of the way: Kim Jon Un appears to be a very bad man and Trump often does bad things, or rather, tries to do bad things that are then blocked.
This is not one of those things–even after one stops laughing at people pretending that the White House hasn’t entertained plenty of dictators with blood soaked hands, just as bad as Kim.
For 60 years, the policy for dealing with North Korea has been to keep them in a cage, and it hasn’t worked.
North Korea wants a formal peace treaty, and feels that, absent nukes, they would be attacked.
Given what happened to Qaddafi (sodomized with a knife, then killed) after he gave up his nuclear program, there might be something to this–especially because the West keeps laughing at the idea of a formal peace treaty. If you think they aren’t going to attack, why not give them one? Or at least offer it as a prize for cooperation, along with reducing some of the frankly insane sanctions?
(This approach, by the way, is favored by most South Koreans, the people with the most to lose if the situation turns into war and Seoul gets flattened.)
Is Trump supposed to not meet with the King of Saudi Arabia? Do you know how he treats Shi’ites and women? Do you know what he is doing to Yemen right now? Is he not supposed to meet with George W. Bush, his predecessor, the butcher of Iraq?
Stop clutching pearls. Yeah, Trump is scum, but this is ridiculous. Diplomacy is about talking with your enemies, not just your friends; it is about talking with bad people (which is why everyone keeps talking to the US) when they have something you want.
Trump is right, in this case, and the squealing about it is not only pearl-clutching bullshit, it makes an actual war more likely, as did hitting Trump so hard on Russia that better relations with Russia (the only other country with enough nukes to destroy the world) seem to be off the table. Because God knows, we wouldn’t want good relations between the two nuclear super-powers, and Russia may not be a super power in another way, but it still has a ton of nukes.
A man may be a bad man, and your political opponent, without being wrong about everything, and acting as if he is could cost hundreds of millions of people their lives.
Stop.
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V. Arnold
Kim Jong-un; the most villified leader in the world. The hyperbole and hysteria surrounding him is just pathetic and probably 99% wrong, incorrect.
Kim Jong-un is a very sane and rational being; he’s well aware that the mad dog U.S. would wipe North Korea off the map (like in the Korean “police action”); so, like any rational being he has nukes; and massive artillary squarely aimed at Seoul. So far, it’s worked pretty well; no war/attack.
I am so fed up with the intertubes, MSM, and western media in general, I have all but literally, given up wasting my remaining life on this shit spewing medium.
The Stephen Miller Band
Andrew Jackson saw the Korean War happening and he would have stopped it had he been POTUS at the time. He was a tough guy with a big heart.
He would have been honored to meet with Kim Jong-un under the right circumstances. He knew Kim Jong-un was a Smart Cookie.
There was no reason for the Korean War. Jackson knew this, just as he knew there was no need for the Spanish American War and WWI & WWII and the Vietnam War.
Andrew Jackson was a great man who knew all things past, present & future and he doesn’t get enough credit for his incredible omniscience.
Andrew Jackson knew Trump would be great for America and would Make America Great Again.
There is no precedent for removing a POTUS of Unsound Mind from office, so what will transpire in the next year or two will be Ground Breaking. It’s time to put the Men In The White Coats on High Alert and the padded cell needs to prepared now.
America can’t even fake it anymore, and it’s put a freak in office who fully represents the insane reflection of America. America is INSANE. I’ve been saying it for years and now it speaks for itself on Twitter 24/7.
The Stephen Miller Band
Andrew Jackson, now there was a Smart Cookie if ever there was one. Or, at least he was a Smart Cookie for saying the following, but what he did to the Indians — not very smart and not very humane. Not tough, either, nor big-hearted.
Andy Jackson Calls Trump Regrettable
Let’s not forget, Trump is clearly unhinged at this point so anything he says must be taken with a grain of salt. He’s sleep-deprived and possibly strung out on amphetamines.
The appropriate response to Trump’s Insanity is not in depth intellectual analysis, but rather bemused irreverence. Trump is never going to meet with Kim Jong-un. If he does, I’ll eat my hat. And yes, I’ve eaten my hat before, but thankfully it was a chocolate hat.
Ian is right, North Korea was put into a cage. What it is today is largely due to The West’s containment and China’s & Russia’s enabling.
But, that which was formed in a cage only knows the cage. It doesn’t know outside of the cage and couldn’t survive outside of the cage. Certainly you would think something has to give — that North Korea cannot continue to exist in its current state of caged dysfunction, but let’s face it, the North Korean Cultist Regime cannot & will not survive outside of its cage. Perhaps it intuitively knows this.
In the meantime, North Korea makes a great Whipping Boy, doesn’t it? Let’s flog North Korea for America’s inability to hold Saudi Arabia responsible for 9/11 or hold China responsible for the pirating of Western Technology. All the ills of the world are projected onto North Korea and it’s flogged mercilessly even though America moulded it into the shape & disposition it is today.
Donald’s a bully and his threats against North Korea are indicative of his sadistic bullying that he possessed at a very early age when he threw rocks at toddlers in playpens.
V. Arnold
TSMB is the perfect exemplar of what I was talking about; he’d fuck up a wet dream…
He’s infected Ian’s otherwise decent blog, oh well, I’m outa here…
The Stephen Miller Band
Ian said: Diplomacy is about talking with your enemies, not just your friends; it is about talking with bad people (which is why everyone keeps talking to the US) when they have something you want.
I agree. But let’s not forget, Trump & his supporters chastised Obama mercilessly, and I’m no Obomabot or Clintonite by any stretch, for engaging in the diplomacy of which you speak with Iran and striking a deal.
Now, the Obomabots & Clintonites are chastising Trump mercilessly for his remarks about Kim Jong-un and meeting with him. Like I said in the comments to an earlier blog post, this political binary bind is counter-productive & nauseating. The illogic is, it’s okay if my Man/Woman does or doesn’t do it, but not if your Man/Woman does or doesn’t do it.
Not to mention but I will, Trump supporters, imo, by & large aren’t about or for diplomacy. They want Trump to flatten North Korea today if it’s possible, consequences be damned. I know because I know many of them and this is what they want. They want a Trump War, and North Korea is a good start for the Mad King In The Making.
anonone
Has Kim Jong-un ever indicated that he wants a peace treaty?
Ché Pasa
Lucky me, I’m not seeing all this supposed hand-wringing over Trump’s conciliatory statements regarding Kim Jong-un. No cable teevee in our house. Ever. Much happier that way.
It should seem obvious that the idea of parlaying with Kim (the Devil) came from President Xi of the People’s Republic. “Why don’t you try to talk to the boy, Donald? I’m sure he’d be thrilled if you did. Try it…”
It’s in China’s interests, for sure, that there be no physical battles, let alone nuclear war, on the Korean peninsula, so all the saber rattling and bluster from Pyongyang and DC needs to cool down right quick before things go irreversibly sideways. It looks like Xi took the measure of Trump and figured flattery would work at no cost to him or China, and here we are.
Whoever is clutching their pearls over it — who is it you’re referring to, Ian? — is likely to be putting on a show for effect, not actually worried about it.
Trump is essentially neutered; his power and authority are severely constrained. He can go parlay with anybody he wants, but the outcome is not his to determine. Very little is his to determine at this point. So sure, why not jet off to Pyongyang and stage a moment to remember? Like Nixon did in Beijing all those years ago. Or, even better, why not invite Kim to Mar-a-Lago?
Precedence though. Does he arrive before Duterte or after? Why not both together? Genius!
Hugh
Actually the MSM, as witnessed by Morning Joe on MSNBC, is pushing the line that there is something desperately wrong with this President. They showed a clip of Trump talking twenty years ago or so about NATO funding. He presented a succinct logical argument and did it using clear declarative sentences. Contrast that with the Trump of today: largely incoherent, unable to form whole sentences, constant use of grandiose terms, and liable to contradict what he just said a few minutes or days ago.
Put simply, I don’t trust Trump to meet pretty much anyone, and especially not a totalitarian leader like Un. As Hannah Arendt wrote, the mistake that what she called the normal world makes when it engages with totalitarianism is that the same values and logic applies to them as to us. She also said it was important to understand that totalitarians are very different from dictators, authoritarians, tyrants, etc. These are represented by Trump’s other notable and questionable attempts at outreach: Erdogan, al-Sisi, Duterte. I mean if Trump can’t even discuss the American Civil War without totally f*cking it up what is he going to do with countries and their leaders of whom he knows, relatively speaking, infinitely less?
I think that North Korea is not important enough to us to give China a pass on hundreds of billions of dollars in trade issues. I see rather that North Korea is ultimately China’s problem to solve. It is like one of the old imperial an-system protectorates. So let China deal with it. North Korea in terms of a collapse and refugees is a bigger threat to China than it is to South Korea. North Korea now is a liability for China. It can no longer exploit the North’s belligerence. This belligerence is reaching a point where it could have long term negative impacts for China. There is the old fear of a revival of Japanese militarism. The Japanese have already increased their armed forces, and they could use the North’s actions as a pretext to go nuclear. South Korea then would also likely go nuclear. This China does not want at all. And the North’s activities give a green light to an increased and more aggressive American military presence on China’s doorstep. With regard to China, these are all self-inflicted wounds. Whatever the case, before we can come to any understanding with the North, two things have to happen. First, China has to figure out what kind of an understanding it wants with the North, and second, the North’s totalitarian regime has to modify itself into at a minimum some kind of authoritarian state. I do not think this last is likely.
Willy
He presented a succinct logical argument and did it using clear declarative sentences. Contrast that with the Trump of today: largely incoherent, unable to form whole sentences, constant use of grandiose terms, and liable to contradict what he just said a few minutes or days ago.
Maybe studies were done showing the conservative base prefers taller, slower men, and he’s just giving them what they want?
anonone
Ian, when are you going to stop being an apologist for whatever dribble comes out of Trump’s mouth?
I am surprised you haven’t applauded his statements about Andrew Jackson and the Civil War.
Trump is a liar and a sociopath who celebrates and relishes his own ignorance. He is also a consummate con-man and a brilliant self-promoter. The last 24 hours of interviews have revealed once again that he is incapable of any coherent thinking supported by facts beyond his own self-promotion. Personally, I think he has dementia.
It was flat-out wrong for the President of the United States to say that he would be “honored” to meet with Kim Jon Un, a leader who has repeatedly threatened the United States with nuclear war, just as it is wrong for him to invite the murderous Philippines’ president, Rodrigo Duterte, to the White House.
“Honored?” Really?
Meanwhile, Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross still has a job even after saying that President Trump’s order to launch a missile strike on a Syrian air base in April “was in lieu of after-dinner entertainment.” Lovely, isn’t it?
Your perfunctory disclaimers about do not excuse your shilling for whatever Donald Trump says.
DMC
Nobody is apologizing for Trump. Ian is merely saying that actual diplomacy of some sort is preferable to saber rattling. “All stick and no carrot” is not really a tenable position from which to negotiate. Do you actually want a good outcome or do you just want your wholly imaginary purity? It’s not like the US doesn’t deal with dictators all the time. Half the time, we overthrow elected governments to install dictators. So, enough with the hand wringing.
Peter
Poor Ian, he’s getting snowflake hate mail again for not chanting the hate filled party line before making a rational statement about diplomacy.
Ché Pasa
I see now that the NYT and WaPo are stamping their feet — not clutching their pearls — over Trump’s outreach to “strongmen”, and maybe that’s what set Ian off. I don’t know. It couldn’t have been Scarborough; Scarborough (at least what I’ve seen of him on the Intertubez) is just a clown. Not a very good one, either.
For the big ticket publications to be so exercised over Trump’s outreach to Kim and Duterte and whomever else seems likely to… treat him nice, birds of a feather and all that … is kind of silly. But it is a statement from People Who Matter (Goddammit!) that the president will conform to time honored standards and practices… or find himself swimming without a life jacket in shark infested waters. He is On Notice.
Once again, the status quo asserts its authority.
Had to do a spit-take over his prompt reversal regarding the budget deal the congress worked out without paying attention to his demands. First saying a shutdown was in order on the Twitter machine, then praising the deal in the Rose Garden because his beloved wall is funded. (It isn’t.)
Oh well.
We’re so used to this by now, aren’t we?
Let him shoot the breeze with Kim or Duterte or any strongman or dictator he would like. It’s not going to affect policy. That will remain rigidly as it has been directed by our actual overlords for a generation, and it will only change when they say so.
The presidency is being joke-ified before our eyes. There is a story there. Who will tell it?
The Stephen Miller Band
The Stephen Miller Band
It tells itself for anyone who enjoys wholesome, organic, tragic humor. Who needs Hollywood when we\’ve got Trump? All these comedians satirizing Trump are redundant. He\’s serendipitous satire in and of himself so there\’s no need to satirize satire.
Two years ago, when he first started this charade, I thought he was funny. He made me laugh out loud. Now I put my hands up to my face and bury my face in them. I\’m not laughing so much any more because this shit is for real.
Pretty soon he\’s going to start running around the White House and Mar-A-Lago naked and then what? Aside from us vomiting in unison like synchronized swimmers?
At what point do we collectively decide that the POTUS is not of Sound Mind and have him removed from office? I\’m not saying we\’re there yet with Trump, but we may be close. There is no precedent for such a thing. Who makes that call?
My wife told me to get outside of my box and watch Sex And The City so I did. I like it. It describes Manhattanites perfectly. Trump is a Manhattanite. May I suggest a new HBO Series entitled POTUS And The City? Scratch that. It\’s already playing. All you have to do is turn on any Cable News Network and you\’ll find another episode. This week is History Lessons With The Donald. It\’s been really really great so far. I can\’t wait for when he gives his opinion of Harriet Tubman, if he even knows who she is.
anonone
@DMC –
Actual diplomacy is preferred, but Trump is clearly incapable of actual nuanced diplomacy. This is a president who wants to start a war so he can “win.” The drums are beating.
Nothing this president says should be taken as having any gravitas of policy or substance to support it. He has shown nothing to lead anyone to believe that he would be anything more than a patsy at the diplomatic negotiating table.
His cozying up to brutal dictators and strongmen while ridiculing the institutions of democracy here and in Europe is enough to prove that he is incapable of diplomacy that promotes freedom and human rights.
Hugh
Again Un is not a dictator. He is a totalitarian leader. Differences matter. As Hannah Arendt wrote in The Origins of Totalitarianism,
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Hugh
To recap, in a totalitarian system, the totalitarian leader is an instrument of Destiny and so beyond all constraints on his power whether these are the law, political and military hierarchies, social institutions, his secret police, and in the context of the present discussion treaties and international agreements. He can use these to work his will which is the will of Destiny but he is not limited to or by them since this would be a constraint on his power. And the totalitarian principle is about removing all limits on his power. The totalitarian system is enforced by universal, random terror. The “guilty” for some definition of guilty may be eliminated, but so will the innocent, and far more often. And this is true for both high and the low, victims and executioners.
DMC
Competent diplomacy is what you want? That’s been been off the table since Kissinger retired. Just consider the last dozen or so Sec. of States and their illustious careers. Anodyne, old pal, you got to get out of the pure reaction mode that seems to have taken over most Democrats since last November’s little debacle. Strapping on pee pants, setting your hair on fire and running around in circles shouting “The Russians! The Deplorables! Comey! The Russians!” is not going to motivate anybody not actually on the party payroll. The People have Spoken and its Silly Party uber alles, cuz they just couldn’t take the status quo. My point being that since this is, in fact, the government which exists in the US, talking STILL seems preferable to unilateral actions like sanctions and moving Carrier Groups around in threatening manners. Words are ALWAYS cheaper than blood. Crying about competence in government at this stage of the game is like crying about the lack virgins in you local house of ill repute. Of course they’re a bunch of half wits and climbers. That’s all you can get for that sort of work nowadays. All the bright kids are at the hedge funds and big financials.
ProNewerDeal
Ian, consider writing a post on 0bama vs Bush43, who was Even Worse? Or perhaps assume if FD Roosevelt was the best Pres from a social democratic perspective & gets a 100 grade, what fraction of the 100 grade would you give 0bama & Bush43, if not all Presidents going back to Reagan or Truman.
I was debating the Who is Worse topic with a fellow friend in my safe state that like me voted Sanders in the D Primary, & Dr. Jill Stein in the general election. I opined that 0bama was worse citing the TPP, killing MedicareForAll & Public Option in the ACA lawmaking process thus continuing to kill ~45K USians/yr, & Grand “Bargain” Ripoff of MC/SS that may have raised eligibility age for Gen X & Millenials to 70+, my friend opined Bush43 was worse given the Iraq War & its killing of ~100K+ Iraqi civilians.
NoPolitician
Sorry Ian, you’re coming off as a Trump apologist, both with this post and with the stuff you’ve been posting lately. I just don’t get it.
I totally understand the gist of what you’re saying: don’t bash Trump for wanting to meet with Un. But Trump is not even attempting to use proper diplomacy. If Trump wants to meet with Un to sort things out, he simply has to say this:
“I would be *willing* to meet with Kim Jong Un under the right circumstances”.
If Trump says that, he doesn’t get bashed because that is a diplomatic thing to say. But Trump didn’t say that. He said that he’d be *honored* to meet with Un. Un is the leader of a totalitarian country that represses its people. It is not a matter of opinion of whether he is a good or bad person – he is unequivocally bad. He is not an honorable person.
Imagine if Obama said that he would be *honored* to meet with some drug lord in Chicago, or with Osama Bin Laden.
I’m sorry, but words are paramount in diplomacy, and we should not excuse the bumbling actions of a president who is clearly incompetent for the job.
atcooper
Critics would do well to recall all the kind words past presidents have had for the Saudis. Or Pakistan. Or most countries in Central America at one time or another.
The list of leaders of ill repute the US has played footsie with is incredibly long.
Peter
@NoP
You seem to be some type of fanatic to put semantics over substance in this instance. Trump could have used the correct diplospeak that Obama used regularly but I doubt he would have bowed like a stooge to every royal he met as Obama did.
This offer may or may not lead to a breakthrough but the resistance is busy tainting anything that could be viewed as positive connected to Trump.
Tom W Harris
B4 Humpfty Drumpfty talks to Kim, he needs to learn how to talk. Just sayin’…
Ivory Bill Woodpecker
Aaaaand another Crazy Uncle Liberty talking point is checked off… 😆
Max Osman
You’d be a more admirable man if you could admit you were wrong about Trump.
Max Osman
Where’s Mandos?
Hugh
On the larger point of talking being better than bombing, I agree with Ian. In the specific instance of Trump talking with Un, I don’t trust either for different reasons.
The Stephen Miller Band
For the record, once again, I criticized & mercilessly denigrated both Hillary Clinton & Donald Trump during the Campaign Season and I highly encouraged everyone I knew not to vote because there really were no viable choices ( and no, Jill Stein was never a viable choice).
I have Zero Respect (maybe even Less Than Zero) for anyone who voted for either of these creeps or anyone who voted period. Your vote legitimized an illegitimate system and the fact you won’t listen to reason and instead remain recalcitrant and pretend you can vote your way out of this mess is no longer credible or worthy of respect or understanding or forgiveness.
Get Real!! NOW!!!
I truly believe we are watching, in REALTIME, the paving of The Road to Autocracy in America. If we think things are bad now, just wait until the road is finished. We will effectively become Russia and Putin truly will have won at that point. And The Dems as well as The Repubs, and their Shareholders, will be responsible. Every day they do precisely what Putin would want them to do which is to destroy what America could have been. Yes, Putin is smart. So smart, he gets others to do the heavy work for him and they don’t even know it and don’t even care to know it. It’s great chess.
The Stephen Miller Band
As an example of my impartiality & objectivity, Christiane Amanpour’s recent interview with Hillary Clinton, where Hillary lied with impunity, disgusts me. Not only did Hillary lie, because I know she knows how the election was really stolen and instead she underscores the Russia Did It trope, but Amanpour allows Hillary a platform to juxtapose herself with a foundering Trump as though to say, “this is what you get for not voting for me.”
Obamabots & Clintonites are every bit as disgusting and close-minded and recalcitrant as any Wing Nut. For example, the Shitbirds at the following blog. They disgust me. They are not interested in truth and change. They’re apparatchik assholes and impediments to Social Evolution.
Nomadic Politics
Ché Pasa
Whatever other presidents have done does not justify what this president is doing.
(Or trying to do. He seems to be almost as tied down as Gulliver in Lilliput at the moment. )
The efforts to defend nearly everything he does by referring to something some other president did — whether it’s meeting with dictators or aligning with criminal regimes or looking the other way in the face of genocide or initiating wars of aggression or what have you — won’t wash, especially not if you believe that what other presidents did was wrong. As I do.
There probably won’t be any ultimate value in this bizarre presidential interlude we’re experiencing.
If we survive it (no guarantees), I suspect it will wind up down the Memory Hole, barely ever mentioned again.
Peter
@Stevie
Your story of being a principled boycotter of the system almost seems lucid until you start babbling about the election being stolen. A lot of planning and hard work by Trump and his team and tough decisions by many voters assured that the Red Queen would never be president and that was the primary reason I applaud the people who made the tough choice.
Losing the respect of and being condemned by the Great Stevie is the heavy price these people will have to bear for making their mark on history. PC Clintonites are not making policy and Trump doesn’t have autocratic powers so the game continues.
Mel
Captain America would punch Kin Jong Un in the face. How can there even be a question?
The Stephen Miller Band
@ The Pumpkin Eater said: Your story of being a principled boycotter of the system almost seems lucid until you start babbling about the election being stolen.
When the “choices” to “choose” from are Shit & Shit, the rational response is to not participate until you address who REALLY chooses the “choices” of Shit & Shit for you to “choose” from.
In the meantime, one of the Shits is not precluded from wanting to defeat the other Shit and doing anything, including stealing the election, to accomplish that.
Either way, It’s All Shit.
@ The Pumpkin Eater said: I applaud the people who made the tough choice.
I agree — it has to be tough choosing Shit and now those who did are eating it — including you. You’re a Shit Eater and you chose it. Enjoy. Yummy.
It reminds me of the Ghetto Thugs burning down and destroying their neighborhoods when they get upset and can’t seem to locate the source of their angst. You and your ilk are tantamount to “Cutters.” You’re burning down your own neighborhood. You’re cutting yourselves in choosing Trump. You’re Eating Shit daily now as your sole source of sustenance, and the worst part of it is, you’re Damn Proud Of It which is humorously perplexing, to say the least.
If your’s is a victory, it’s a Pyrrhic Victory. Enjoy it while the flame still burns, my Toasted Marshmallow friend. I’m sure you’ll come back for Smore.
Stirling S Newberry
2 points from senior diplomats involved with the Clinton and Bush W:
There are 3 options: talk, bribe, bomb. Unfortunately, North Korea is the only state with does not have a superpowered state with superpowered munitions – and does not want to exchange their nuclear missiles for some sort of one off bribe. They want to be bribed again and again. The question is how long does talking work before bribing becomes the default course of action. because they are under China’s control, and China will not allow the US, or its allies to bomb.
The problem is that North Korea is not, truly, the problem – China is, and is a great deal more sticky then North Korea. But this violates the “small wars only” rule of diplomacy. Since we have no way of dealing with China, North Korea is a little bully which we do not have a way to deal with the much larger bully of China.
In the end the question is how much do we have to bribe North Korea with, since China does not really want to deal.
Ivory Bill Woodpecker
Very well, SMB–but, exactly what power do you hold to reward me or punish me, that I would have any practical need to desire your respect, understanding, or forgiveness?
The very fact that I go slumming here indicates that I have lost any emotional, non-practical concern with what anyone thinks of me, does it not? 😈
realitychecker
If rants were penises, TSMB would be an elephant. 🙂
Willy
Is it better to clap for Trump before he does something in line with progressive goals, or after?
The Stephen Miller Band
Talk about Snowflakes, apparently it takes one to know one. Trump Supporters, as well as their Great Leader, are so fragile & insecure they are demanding Colbert be fired for his excellent Smackdown of Trump.
Guys, and all Trump Supporters are guys including the girls, I thought respect wasn’t important and not an issue? In the same breath that you’re telling me my respect is irrelevant, you and your ilk are demanding it from Colbert. Not surprising. What a bunch of liars. Like the photos of a few already existing fences and calling it The Wall. Or telling Trump Supporters, The Rubes, that the proposed Healthcare Legislation will cover preexisting conditions when it will do no such thing since it will not be funded properly if the legislation passes both the House & Senate which it won’t.
There is lying and then there is lying. Trump and his apparatchiks are the worst sort of liars. It’s Swampland in Florida lying. Snake Oil Salesman lying. And Trump Supporters, Rubes that they are, are believing it — the same Trump Supporters who didn’t know that the healthcare they have is Obamacare — they actually thought, and some still think, that’s it’s something other than Obamacare.
Word. You don’t demand respect, you engender it vis a vis your ingratiating behavior. Your behavior is anything but ingratiating, therefore you get zero respect, and some, the more pernicious interlocutors, get Less Than Zero respect.
Peter
@Stevie
You seem more confused than usual about this celebrity display of loss of control. Colbert wet his pants on national TV because no one is chasing the bogus Trump/Putin cabal anymore and these losers have nothing else to offer the snowflakes.
The #FireColbert appears to be coming from his viewing audience because it was a homophobic rant and this isn’t the first time he has violated PC norms leading for calls for his firing. I’m sure that Trump supporters have important things to worry about and what happens to a flakey celebrity isn’t one of them but it might bring a smile to their faces if he is deposed.
The Stephen Miller Band
Peter Peter The Pumpkin Eater,
This will be the last correspondence we will have. You are entirely disingenuous since it is you & your ilk who started #FireColbert. This article explains. Putin’s C*ck Holster!! I love it. Gorge Washington!! Perfect.
Conservative Cucks Start #FireColbert Campaign in Protest of Stephen Colbert’s Epic Trump Takedown
Ivory Bill Woodpecker
Perhaps Baghdad Peter will be proven correct, but how far had the Watergate scandal progressed on May 4, 1973?
Little too early to call, eh? 😈